All Things Considered... Apple the Greediest Company in the World?

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by prizm, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. prizm macrumors member

    Oct 29, 2007
    Is it me or is Apple really, and I mean really, turning into a greed machine? Apple has always boasted expensive products, but it appears that in order to keep margins incredibly high, they are falling into an insane cycle of just outright greed delivering the absolute lowest possible value for the highest possible price. From services (iCloud/Apple Music) to accessories to hardware specs.

    Is anyone getting a bit irritated and reconsidering their relationship with Apple?
  2. Alrescha macrumors 68020

    Jan 1, 2008
    Apple is a corporation, and part of its goals is to raise money. If you are surprised at that, you have been living under a rock for the past few decades.

    You are under no obligation to buy into Apple Music. I have not. On the other hand, most of iCloud is free so it is not clear what you are unhappy with.

    Contrast this with say, Amazon: I still remember (and will never forget) the day I looked up an item to get a price and then signed into my Amazon account and as a *returning customer* was presented with a *higher* price.

    Which companies you choose to do business with are under your control. I am a happy Apple customer.

  3. Strider64 macrumors 6502a


    Dec 1, 2015
    Suburb of Detroit
    I know first hand how cheap people can be for I'm a website designer/developer. Some people expect to have a professional looking website at a really low price and can make very unreasonable demands. The thing I cringe the most is when they say "While I like it it, I think this little change will put some life into it" or something along that line. They don't realize that little change will mostly take some time and effort to make it happen. Then there are the ones that say "Websites are so easy to make these days, but I don't have the time that is why I'm coming to you" that's their way of saying "I'm cheap and I expect you to do it at a low price". I know not everyone is like that, but there are days that it feels like it. :(

    I know Apple products are a little higher in price than other computer companies, but I like Apple for the peace of mind it gives me. I can trust my iMac or iPhone to be working everyday 99.1 percent of the time. The old saying is true - "You get what you pay for"
  4. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    I'd have to disagree, yes there are instances where I think Apple is being petty, but they design great products, that are high quality. That does not come cheap.

    I guess if you don't like apple, or how they conduct their business, there are other alternatives.
  5. Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    So, its price it's a concern......Would of been better just to say it :) I would have

    cloud services seems ok price wise, but they make it all up on hardware costs....... or at least that's what i'm hearing, but there is no definition for what is called 'a premium product' is there ?
  6. AFEPPL macrumors 68030


    Sep 30, 2014
    On balance i'd have to say yes.

    The way they are avoiding tax, the way they control the eco system, the way the seem to practice forced obsolesce via software updates and the core mac hardware is over priced and the iOS devices even more so.
  7. Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    over-priced iOS huh ? go out and buy an up to date Android phone (off contact). you spend $600 up front.... no difference with iPhone 6s Plus (less the $200 or so) I'd say their equal.

    I guess u could also say other companies would be ding the same, but we only hear Apple in the news, so it would be a general 'target' to go after Apple paying low tax.
  8. AFEPPL macrumors 68030


    Sep 30, 2014
    It's not focused on "just" apple, google have also been in the news (and settled in the UK) Amazon and starbucks are also getting looked at. Re the price, the retailers are pricing their products relative to each other in the market. I'm pretty sure if apple knocked $200 off the devices the samsung device would still be $200 less... It's well known apple make most of their profits from the iPhone so that also says they are arm... milking it lets say.

    However the aggressiveness of what apple are doing means the EU is investigating and the fine or cost is likely to be over 8bn
  9. maxsix Suspended


    Jun 28, 2015
    Western Hemisphere
    As iPhone sales show signs of slowing, Apple will be more aggressive than ever.!
  10. Mr_Brightside_@ macrumors 68030


    Sep 23, 2005
    Did you hear the base model iPhones are only 16 GB? Crazy!
  11. Netranger macrumors newbie


    Oct 24, 2011
    Steve Jobs WAS Apple,now that he is not there(RIP),stupid decisions are being pushed through (Ipad pro with a STYLUS ??, Jobs would have shoved that stylus up the designers kazooo and drop kicked him out a window).I have a 6s 128gb and love it but at $1379 AUD,this purchase really hurt.Ive had cars that were cheaper than that.If Apple are going to demand such high prices,they need to deliver a better deal IMO. If the 7 dosent have fast charging,wireless charging and a bigger battery,Ill be looking elsewhere.
  12. Designer Dale macrumors 68040

    Designer Dale

    Mar 25, 2009
    Folding space
    The greediest company on the planet is the US government hands down. They take money from you without asking and spend it on stuff you will probably never use.

    Rolex sells a mechanical watch for $30,569 and a 2015 Ferrari LaFerrari went for $1,416,362.00.

    Disclaimer: Poster is long in APPL.

  13. Pakaku macrumors 68000


    Aug 29, 2009
    They were always an overpriced company, although that's justified if you believe they're a premium company.

    The key difference these days is Apple isn't a computer/tech company anymore. They're a fashion company now.
  14. RadioGaGa1984 Suspended


    May 23, 2015

    Stopped reading after the first 2 words. However I am very impressed it took 11 posts for the 2 words to show up.
  15. phrehdd macrumors 68040


    Oct 25, 2008
    Several things are going on but first I'll just say maybe greed is the wrong word and power and control of market share seems to be a better fit. Yes, several larger companies fall into this category including non-computer oriented companies. I am not happy with many things Apple does and also at the same time completely marvel at how well they do some things until they approach market saturation then all bets are off.
  16. prizm thread starter macrumors member

    Oct 29, 2007
    I stand by my post of January of this year. I wish Apple would stop climbing the Luxury computer chain and deliver on premium, but reasonably spec'ed hardware.
  17. daniesy macrumors regular


    Apr 19, 2010
    You do realise that you've posted this question on a forum full of apple apologists, right?
  18. I7guy macrumors P6


    Nov 30, 2013
    Gotta be in it to win it
    And this is supposed to mean what, exactly? (From an older thread nonetheless)
  19. smirking, Feb 21, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2018

    smirking macrumors 65816


    Aug 31, 2003
    Silicon Valley
    Hardly. I'd say there are more "disgrunters" than fan bois.
    --- Post Merged, Feb 21, 2018 ---
    There was a time when the Apple Tax was a very real phenomenon, but I don't think you can say that's true today. Apple products will never be the cheapest available, but they seem to be more competitive than they need to be for the most part.

    People like to point out that the Mac Pro is four years old and has barely dropped in price and point that out as a sign of greed. I really don't think that's why they haven't slashed the price though. I think it has far more to do with not wanting to destabilize their pricing tiers.

    If they keep the entry level at $2999, even though the machine probably should be closer to $1999 after four years, it makes the next release of it seem like a bargain. Once you lower the price, it becomes the price people learn to expect so if the next version comes out at $2999 after you've discounted the old generation to $1999, most people see it as a large price increase.

    It could also be that they've kept the old Mac Pro around to frame your perception of products like the iMac Pro. Restaurants do this all the time. There's often an item on the menu whose purpose is to set your expectations on what a high price is. If the first entree you see is a $79 filet mignon, then suddenly the $29 dinners start to look very very reasonable. The restaurant doesn't care that most people think the $79 dish looks outrageous nor does it care that nobody wants to order it.

    Other computer makers probably wish they could do this. It would make their lives a lot easier, but when you're Dell and someone could just as easily buy an Acer, you've got to price your products as the commodities that they are.

    That's a key difference when your product is a commodity vs when it's not. Makers of commodities don't have total freedom in defining their prices. They have to react to the market as it is now.

    Other companies that sell products that aren't commoditized practice similar pricing strategies. Take dSLRs for example. You usually don't see Nikon or Canon slashing their prices when their cameras have become 2 or 3 year old tech. They'll only cut their prices when the next model comes out when the new model replaces the old one at the same or similar price point.
  20. MacBH928 macrumors 68030


    May 17, 2008
    I will gladly pay more for their products.. why?

    Apple is about the only company that does not skimp on quality and cut corners, it is also the only company that cares about your privacy and does not harvest your personal data for extra cash.

    Sure, software sucks and is not like the early days when it was intuitive and stable. It forces you to update, and I hear a lot of hardware issues with dying screens and video cards/GPUs. But its the best out of the bunch.

    Its the only other option we have over Android for smartphones!
  21. willmtaylor macrumors G3


    Oct 31, 2009
    A Natural State
    You do realize that you’ve replied to a 13-month-old post from a user who hasn’t logged on in 3 months, right?
  22. s15119 macrumors 65816


    Nov 20, 2010

    Nope, love my Apple products. Great products, great service. Very happy customer. My only real complaints are I would like to see an updated Mac Mini, and I would like to see Mac Desktops be more user upgradeable. I have a Watch, phone, laptop, mini and Apple TV. They all work great and I find the value very good.

    Sorry, I didn't notice how old this thread was.
  23. Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    business is business..

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