I just got off the phone with verizon to try to clear this **** up. I was told that ALL pre-orders made through verizonwireless.com will ship out on 10/21. She told me no one should expect them this week. However, she did mention that if you ordered through apple thats its a different story and could probably expect them this week if ordered at 3am friday. I specifically told her that some people mention a estimated ship date of 10/14 and again she told me NO ONE should expect a delivery this week if ordered through the verizon website. Again, she said they will all be shipped on 10/21.