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Thanks again Satnam, your advice is gratefully received. :)

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I'm not sure if we would go with a used iPhone 5, just because TMO will offer them at a reduced price once the new model hits. In this way, we can also ensure that it is compatible with their network, as it is purchased directly from them.

You do bring up an excellent point about scammers, however. All of our current iPhones were purchased off of Craigslist, and while all of them were locked, thankfully, none of them were blacklisted. I even had one buyer assure me the iPhone he was selling was unlocked, only to find out that he was lying. Fortunately, the phone was out of contract, so I simply called AT&T and had them submit the unlock request without issue.

Times have changed, I have seen people sell off phones and then call in "Stolen" or "lost" afterwards leading to blacklisting and also becuase they get free phones from insurance, another thing I have seen was that not all phones blacklist is on the spot, many many customers I see that tell me their smartphone stopped working "after 2 weeks", "after 1 month" and some even "after 3 months" and first thing I advise is to call AT&T and see if the phone is blacklisted and 100% of the cases it is so far, I would like to remind you that the blacklist service started sometimes early this year so lots of people aren't aware of it. I only starting doing my unlocking this year, I too always have bought used phones on craigslist because buying new for me was never feasible and have had great success always with no issues but now I would never go to craigslist to buy a smartphone because of the fear of it one day being blacklisted.

Another thing to avoid with scammers is the selling of non-functioning phones. I bought one iPhone from someone on Craigslist, and it was unlocked on TMO's network, but the phone quit working a week later, and I discovered it had a bad logic board. So it can be a roll of the dice with Craigslist purchases, and it's always a good idea to call in the phone's IMEI to check its carrier status, as you suggested. In this way, you can avoid buying a bricked or blacklisted phone.

As fate would have it, I do have a family member who will go with an iPhone 5 from TMO, but not until October when she is off contract, so I won't be able to borrow it for testing. As a result, I'm wondering if I could get an iPhone 5 with a down payment from a TMO store around town, and try it for a couple of days. Once I see how good the service is, I can always return it with the original packaging. I might have to pay a restocking fee, but at least I would know whether or not the iPhone 5 would work better than our current models.

You can check T-mobile store, I dont know if they will allow you for "few days" but they might give you 24hr grace period...try it, wont know until you try :)
 
You can check T-mobile store, I dont know if they will allow you for "few days" but they might give you 24hr grace period...try it, wont know until you try

Well, I got a whale of a tale to tell you about my iPhone experience, so lend me your ears and I'll tell all.

I visited our friendly local neighborhood T-Mobile shop, and they were very helpful with my suggestion of "borrowing" the iPhone 5. I explained the situation to them - that we all had unlocked iPhones, none of them worked quite right sometimes, etc - and they were willing to let me give the 5 a test drive. I was allowed to take the phone for the weekend, on the condition that I would return it on Monday. They billed me for the down payment, but I could get that refunded once I returned the phone.

Here's what I found out.

Around the Colorado Springs area, naturally there is no LTE/4G coverage yet. However, I had a chance to drive around town with the phone, making and receiving calls, experimenting with it in different spots, and I was surprised by what I discovered.

First, the phone was a pleasure to use. The thing I noticed most about it was the weight - even compared with the 4S, it felt much lighter and easier to hold for longer durations. I'd also be remiss if I didn't mention the larger screen size. It isn't much, but it does make reading on the device more enjoyable.

Second, instead of being on EDGE all the time, I found I was on 3G, because of the support for the 1700MHz band of course. It was somewhat misleading, because the phone constantly reported itself as having "4G" in the upper left corner. I understand that the latest carrier update has introduced this misinformation, and it's too bad, because I think it's important for cell phone users to know what kind of signal they are really getting. I knew it was only 3G because I ran many tests all over town with the excellent and free app SpeedTest.

Most of the time, the SpeedTest app clocked the iPhone in at around the 3 to 5Mbps mark. However, on one occasion it skyrocketed up to over 8Mbps. Usually, 4.5 to 5 was the average speed result.

I actually did run into EDGE a couple of times, but it was only for a few minutes, and it very rarely switched to the slower speed. I was on 3G 99% of the time.

Nevertheless, despite having the true-blue, straight from the store, genuine T-Mobile iPhone, I still ran into trouble. For instance, because the phone uses the higher frequencies, building penetration varied from unaffected to completely unusable. Two of the buildings that I use the most - my home and my office - were both impenetrable. Signal strength would drop from full bars down to just one or two. The phone eventually would fluctuate between "No Service" and the low signal icon. A couple of times I tried to make and receive calls with a friend's phone next to the iPhone 5, and I either got "Call Failed" messages, or the iPhone would go straight to voicemail.

I understand why my house and office would fare so poorly: one is a turn of the century house, built with sandstone blocks several feet thick. The office, while being a wood-frame construction, is located right next to a stucco and concrete garage, which I'm sure contributes to the interference.

Most of the time though, the cell signal was fine, regardless of what building I was in. There were a few exceptions, but most of the time it didn't matter if I was inside or outside.

I returned the phone, for a few reasons:

1.) It seems foolish to buy it now with a new model on the way. I'll wait and see what Apple comes out with next, and observe the price drops on the current 5 model.

2.) While the iPhone 5 was an overall upgrade over my 4S, and the switch from constant EDGE to constant 3G was a huge plus, the continued absence of LTE was quite obvious. If T-Mobile eventually refarms the CS area so that the unlocked iPhones can get 3G, there won't be a huge difference between the 5's cell speeds and the older models. Of course, once LTE arrives where I'm at, then we have something to talk about.

3.) Regardless of the upgrade to 3G, the fact remains that the iPhone 5 still couldn't get reliable service in the same buildings that I'm having issues with using our current iPhones. It didn't seem like the switch to the new handset would solve that problem. A different carrier, or even a different phone can make a huge difference. A friend of mine who works in the office with me has an iPhone on AT&T, and he has no signal issues inside whatsoever. At home, a member of our family on the TMO plan who has a TMO-branded dumbphone - not a smartphone - rarely has connectivity issues inside either.

So all in all, I was very grateful to the staff at the TMO store for letting me take the iPhone 5 out for a spin. I'm sure that if I was using the phone in different buildings from where I work and live, and if I lived in Denver where LTE currently exists, I'd probably jump on the 5 this instant. As it is, I'll have to wait for the network to grow some more and for prices to drop as well.

For those of you who live in or visit Colorado Springs, I can tell you the 3G coverage with the TMO iPhone is quite reliable and enjoyable to use. I hope that my brief runaround with the iPhone 5 helps those who are curious about its performance, at least where I live, and are considering buying one.
 
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3.) Regardless of the upgrade to 3G, the fact remains that the iPhone 5 still couldn't get reliable service in the same buildings that I'm having issues with using our current iPhones. It didn't seem like the switch to the new handset would solve that problem. A different carrier, or even a different phone can make a huge difference. A friend of mine who works in the office with me has an iPhone on AT&T, and he has no signal issues inside whatsoever. At home, a member of our family on the TMO plan who has a TMO-branded dumbphone - not a smartphone - rarely has connectivity issues inside either.


Great experience, I'm glad you got answers to many of your questions.

1) You always do have the option of using AT&T GoPhone if you wish but its going to cost $60/month ($54 if refills bought at correct time using Callingmarts 10% coupon code) - but its going to raise your overall family cost

2) Your family member with TMO dumbphone never has issues because that phone is only using GSM/EDGE/2G - not anything higher which also runs on 850MHz Frequency (If T-Mobile EDGE not available, it will roam cost free to him/her on AT&T EDGE network)

3) Even if T-Mobile refarms CS area with 1900MHz - your building penetrance issue isn't going to go away anytime soon unless they put 2x the towers per location or put towers in very close proximity to each other in order to improve coverage, otherwise your office + T-Mobile experience may fall short including with the launch of LTE which will also use 1700/2100 AWS technology much like T-Mobile's "3G/4G".

4) I know its a bit misleading but T-Mobiles DC-HSPA+ 42Mbps is far closer to "4G" than AT&T's HSPA+21Mbps is....but they are giving people what they want to see...everyone want to be on "4G" doesn't matter what kind or how fast, selling a iPhone 5 with "3G" icon would most likely result in far lower sales vs iPhone 5 with "4G" icons because consumers will be like "AT&T's iPhone gets "4G" so why doesn't yours? lol
 
Great experience, I'm glad you got answers to many of your questions.

Hey Satnam, thanks again for all the info in your thread, well done!

I have a friend who is on AT&T and is ready to upgrade from his iPhone 5. He is willing to sell the iPhone to me at a reduced price, and since he is switching phones, I may be able to get it unlocked from them.

My question is, assuming all goes well and the phone is unlocked, will the iPhone support 3G here in Colorado Springs? I've already established that the TMO iPhone can of course, but would an AT&T model do so as well? Or does it depend on the model of the phone? Is there a way I can find out?
 
Hey Satnam, thanks again for all the info in your thread, well done!

I have a friend who is on AT&T and is ready to upgrade from his iPhone 5. He is willing to sell the iPhone to me at a reduced price, and since he is switching phones, I may be able to get it unlocked from them.

My question is, assuming all goes well and the phone is unlocked, will the iPhone support 3G here in Colorado Springs? I've already established that the TMO iPhone can of course, but would an AT&T model do so as well? Or does it depend on the model of the phone? Is there a way I can find out?

I'm pretty sure all the USA GSM iPhone 5's are exactly the same. As long as it's unlocked, you should get 3G/4G, and will get LTE (whenever Colorado Springs has LTE rolled out).
 
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