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Until China takes Taiwan and cuts the entire world off from TSMC's foundry. Better start making products here in America, Tim!
 
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It makes a bit of marketing sense for Apple to move the base M1 to newer cores sooner than later, it would be a rather "evolutionary" vs "revolutionary" move, technically, anyhow. The M1 Max and Ultra would likely still have more than enough performance "oomph" to carry those models which have them until M2.

At some point, IMO, Apple should want to get to the place where their most expensive units are seeing the CPU advancements first, trickling down to the MacBook Air/iPad. Because, right now, their performance/release matrix is a bit backwards. And you get things like the M1 MacBook Pro, which is negligibly/arguably a poorer value compared to the MacBook Air. Apple doesn't likely doesn't want that.

Up until now, the iPhone drove the CPU development, and I expect the M2 to mark a shift in that. The iPhone and iPad will get the A- train, while the Mac* Pro and iPad Pro get the M- train developments first, then all trickles down. So getting the MBA and entry mini a revision sooner would help with that strategy, as the NEXT update to that platform would be a M2 "Lite". Honestly, I'm rather surprised Apple didn't call the M1 Max and Ultra "M2 Max" and "M2 Ultra", and then jump to M3 with what they're doing for M2, even if internally the M1 and M2 were all-but the same. (Since "M0" would have been weird… but, honestly, that's what the M1 really was.)

I have no insider information, but if I wanted to market and sell a LOT of expensive machines, that's what I'd want.
 
Am I the only one not that impressed with the M1. I have a 2017 Intel MBP and a 13 M1 MBP (from work) and though I agree on paper the M1 is the better chip, in real world usage I really don't see too much to be impressed with. It might be the restrictions imposed by the company limiting the laptop, but it just seems slow, not snappy.
 
A15 performance cores are essentially the same as the ones in M1 already, performance core perform almost identicle clock for clock.

Almost the same != the same

If Apple does a chip for the MacPro that is neither based on the M1 nor the M1Max(Pro) layout it makes perfect sense to for the best cores they have at hand (even if it is just 1% faster) making that chip "2nd gen" Apple-Silicon and whatever will be build on A16 cores "3rd gen". If there is no such A15 based chip the A16 based ones would be "2nd gen".

This has off course nothing to do with which chip gets which name for marketing and I doubt the MacPro will be called M-whatever but will be marketed under a different brand (P1,X1, Y007, who knows).
 
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Until China takes Taiwan and cuts the entire world off from TSMC's foundry. Better start making products here in America, Tim!
I don’t live in the US. Neither does most of the world of course. However, TSMC is already building a chip plant in the US.


Am I the only one not that impressed with the M1. I have a 2017 Intel MBP and a 13 M1 MBP (from work) and though I agree on paper the M1 is the better chip, in real world usage I really don't see too much to be impressed with. It might be the restrictions imposed by the company limiting the laptop, but it just seems slow, not snappy.
M1 is base entry level. It’s great but it’s not the ultimate SoC.
 
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If this rumor is true and Apple is sticking to 5nm again, then what was the point of all the insults at Intel who was stuck on 14 nm for a while? Chip design is hard, and the smaller the nodes get, the more difficult it is to have a process enter volume production with high yields. I am however looking forward to any innovations that Apple may bring to market. 3nm sounds sweet for M2, if true!
 
This is all too confusing. Remember that Apple said that with the Ultra, they had the last M1 design. So this is hard to believe, unless shortages are forcing Apple to do something they weren’t planning on.
 
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The Mac Pro variants of the M1 are likely gonna be called:

- M1 Ultra Pro
- M1 Ultra Max

Either way, we’ll find out in the fall.
 
“We’re adding one last chip to the M1 family, and it’s going to blow your mind. Here it is: Introducing M1 Ultra.“

So? All that clever wording hinted at is that the MacPro will get a chip that won't be considered part of the "M1 family" most likely not even part of the "M family".
 
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Marketing names aside this would mean that the MacPro will get the only "M2" variant (since its using A15 class cores) while that 3nm chip would be really "M3" and used for everything else over the next 18(+/-) months.

Pretty decent chance that is exactly backwards. The Mac Pro doesn't see light of day until the very end of Dec 2022 or early 2023 and goes M3 ( e.g., shrink an Ultra onto one die or make the 4 die package overall size more tractable) . While the A16 and M2 go for high volume available inside of 2022 N4 variant (or oddly N5 for M2 ) for the reatlively small to medium sized stuff.

TSMC is not taking revenue on N3 wafers until 2023. How Apple buys product (wafers ) in Q3 ships product in Q4 without paying for any of it would be a huge stretch. Probably not happening. If Apple does a dog and pony show around a TSMC N3 chip it is probably a 2023 product. ( After the AirPower debacle, I'd be surprised if they demo something with that long of a lead time. )
 
A better version of A16 in 14 Pro Max...says ShrimpApplePro...or 14 Pro Max will get a 4nm chip. I hope most of the leaks are wrong as per last year ?
 
So? All that clever wording hinted at is that the MacPro will get a chip that won't be considered part of the "M1 family" most likely not even part of the "M family".
The post mentioned a rumor about another M1 variant...
Most likely the MacPro won't have an M1 family chip in it. I'm waiting for them to release it. The Mac Studio M1 Ultra was nice but didn't suit my needs for my recording studio.
 
Pretty decent chance that is exactly backwards. The Mac Pro doesn't see light of day until the very end of Dec 2022 or early 2023 and goes M3 ( e.g., shrink an Ultra onto one die or make the 4 die package overall size more tractable) . While the A16 and M2 go for high volume available inside of 2022 N4 variant (or oddly N5 for M2 ) for the reatlively small to medium sized stuff.

TSMC is not taking revenue on N3 wafers until 2023. How Apple buys product (wafers ) in Q3 ships product in Q4 without paying for any of it would be a huge stretch. Probably not happening. If Apple does a dog and pony show around a TSMC N3 chip it is probably a 2023 product. ( After the AirPower debacle, I'd be surprised if they demo something with that long of a lead time. )

So apple would say at WWDC, End of Year, for our new Mac Pro, which means late Dec. Which means time for them to get the chip they want out?
 
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