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There were rumors that 4 out of 5 would be updated. The Mini is apparently the Odd Mac Out.

If it had to be one line, I'm glad it was the Mini.

Not me... our iMac died and needs a replacement bad. Was going to replace with a Mini and use a 42" TV as a monitor. Right now my MBP is serving in that role but I want it back!
 
that isn't the nominal context for which it is designed. Time capsule being a "Sleep proxy server" isn't going to work well if it also is asleep or turned off. Nor would Apple primarily use "Green" HDD drives if were not aiming at long term, powered on usage.
I agree, that is also why it does not have a power button. But since it, even with the HDD spun down, remains quite warm, there is certainly electricity to be saved by shutting it off(*) when its services are not needed.

(*) Aka, pulling the plug.
 
3000$ :eek:

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Even if Apple lowers the price of the MBA 13" into the MBP 13" price slots you are getting less for the same amount of money . Less RAM, worse CPU, worse GPU, no FW socket , 100's of GS less of storage space. .... all for the same amount of money. Does that seem like a good bargain to you? "Pay same get less". That is generally not OK. ( The MBP 13" actually weighed less than the MB so there was no size/wieght increase. )
Slight correction: you get the same GPU
Major correction: light users will barely notice the CPU speed difference, if they are Windows switchers they won't run more than a handful of applications at the same time, ie, they can be fine with 4 GB, I also keep being surprised by how many people can fit their digital life into 128 GB, light users also won't care about FW but what they will notice is general perkiness due to the SSD.


(Heck, I hardly feel the CPU speed difference between my 2009 and 2011 13" Pro, only for sustained encoding tasks does it really matter.)
 
Putting the 13" Air (SSD) entry model just $100 above the 13" MBP entry model did help the 13" Air a huge deal....

Probably did help. If Apple intentions were to drive the MBA 13" into the MBP 13" price points over time then the more straightforward solution would be to have them just swap places.

MBA drops $100 ( and stays static with relatively low capacity RAM and SSD0 and MBP jumps $100 and picks up a discrete GPU ( previously when Apple added a dGPU to the MBP 15" the price jumped $100. Would not be surprising for same thing to happen with MBP 13" if did the same thing.)

Sure the numbers of MBP 13" would probably decrease, but they probably wouldn't crater down to old MBA 13" levels. If Apple just shifted the whole line up down, the decrease probably wouldn't be much.

MBA 11" 899
MBP 13" 1099 (sans dGPU option)
MBA 13" 1199

But I doubt they will. The "log jam" at $999 makes models disappear because they get squeeze out. First it was MB. If they slide the MBA 13" prices down into the MBP 13" zone, it could get squeezed out also.

The long term problem is that a substantively more powerful future iPad is much more likely to cannibalize a slightly more powerful future MBA 11" (and less so a 13") than MBP 13" that keeps pace with improvements with the MBP 15" (and 17" if still around) class components .

Sure short term the MBA gets propped up, but the long term sustainability of the whole Mac line is is more in the MBP 13" zone than the MBA zone.
 
Not me... our iMac died and needs a replacement bad. Was going to replace with a Mini and use a 42" TV as a monitor. Right now my MBP is serving in that role but I want it back!

The current Mini already has a TB port. Is there some other capability that machines lacks that you needed for your replacement, or were you just interested in getting the latest & greatest?
 
Slight correction: you get the same GPU

Pragmatically, you don't. The clock speed is lower. If you want to talk core electronics then the whole Core i line is the exact same silicon die with different clock/feature settings. The clock setting is significant. It is substantially slower on the CPU packages used in the MBA. That is how Intel gets the TDP down that low... chopping the clock and capping the Turbo settings.

If you hook up a large monitor and populate it with a large number windows and several apps that will be a difference.

You can wave your hands, as you do below, and state the GPU speed difference isn't noticeable if the don't throw much workload at the GPU. But there is a pragmatic difference if you pump workload through the GPU.


Major correction: light users will barely notice the CPU speed difference,

Light users who didn't need the MBP 13" speeds in the first place? Chuckle.. Sure, if that was a significantly sized market. I'm talking about people who bought a MacBook because they needed the resources of at least a MacBook.

I don't really think that is actually the "non difference" people notice. It is more so SSD vs. HDDs where the slightly more efficient use of the MBA CPU diminishes the differences. That easy enough to even out on a MBP 13" with a standard 2.5" SSD if it is a big deal.
 
On my shopping list: 21.5" iMac, Mac Mini, Airport Express.

I hope they're all updated. Especially the Airport Express, it's been about 4 years since an update, has it not?
 
You know what they say, if you have to ask how much it costs... well...

There's always bargain basement PC's, Apple's never been about price.

Those who were existing Apple customers prior to the advent of iToyz, know that.

you sound like one of those people that buy things just because the price is high and think they are the coolest people on the planet.

i could afford it but im not gonna spent $3.000 on a laptop. thats just silly
 
I've seen a few posts about external graphics cards so I wanted to weigh in.

A few weeks ago a guy on the development team for Final Cut X came to my University to pitch Final Cut X to the school so that they upgrade. It was a small meeting, and he ran everything off of his MacBook Air.

He said this is efficient because when he goes home (and he told us he wasn't technically allowed to talk about this) he plugs the comp via thunderbolt into a device which runs to an external graphics card and a couple large monitors.
 
A router with Thunderbolt is not even close to be sane... The bottleneck is the wireless radio which is slower than USB

A router with Thunderbolt would be stupid, a Time Capsule with Thunderbolt would make a lot of sense. The initial backup process, and the restore process takes forever if you have a lot of data (which most of us likely do) so having an option to plug in to Thunderbolt for those times would be pretty great.

Not to mention that if anyone can implement Thunderbolt and not have to jack up the price it's Apple. The Time Capsule is already viewed by many as being overpriced, including TB and keeping the price the same could make it a more desirable product--especially considering that there are no reasonably priced TB drives on the market.
 
I'm not inside Apple so whether this is true or not I can't say. But I can say if it is, the first time Cook fires someone for a security breech they will be. Tim Cook may not have Jobs temper, but he didn't get to the top of one of the biggest companies in the world because he's a push over.

Ummmm these leaks happen every year.
 
You missed the part where it's Australian dollars and the Australian store is more expensive?
I don't know about Australia, but if one buys the current fully optioned BTO 15" MBP with AppleCare, the price before tax is $4,248.

Some might say, that no one buys BTO models like this, because of the ease in which the ram and SSD can be upgraded.

But what many fail to realize, is that lots of buyers outside of this community, do not have the skill or desire to do it themselves. Professionals can easily afford it and Apple's got the revenue to prove how many they've sold.

It's' no wonder Apple has the cash to build that Space Ship Monument to the God of Apple :)
 
Some leaks are inevitable unless you're the NSA or Black Ops and can kill people to silence them. It's a publicly traded company. You can only keep secrets for so long, especially close to delivery date. There are too many moving parts.
 
DOES THAT MAN I'VE BEEN WAITING ON MBP'S 13" FOR MONTHS AND NOW IT ISNT EVEN COMING?!?! FOR **** SAKE IM PISSED!:mad:

Not necessarily, from the look of that label that got leaked yesterday there may be one last update to the existing 13" MBP. I think it'll be killed off in the near term (because it is redundant with the 13" Air) so doing a redesign is nonsensical, but it appeared to have an IB processor, HD4000 & USB 3 upgrades.

My guess is that they keep it around for those people who want a more conventional form factor, are scared to go without ethernet or the ODD, or who just want a lower priced laptop. I could see them keeping the pricing the same as it is now or even dropping it a bit considering that it won't have a Retina display or an SSD.

Personally, I think they ought to just kill it off. I'll be shocked if 8GB of RAM isn't at least an option in the new Air models, and if it is, then the 13" Pro really is totally redundant and it makes little sense to keep it around.
 
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