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1. I do not provide an opinion on the legality of AllofMP3.com, therefore I provide no fact, fiction or conjecture. I'm merely stating that you and otheres have no hard evidence in any case.
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And you are providing any kind of evidence that the artists get paid? Or are you only in the business of calling everything other people say conjecture? I can't be arsed to look up the links now, but the (non) payment model based on a private PRO in Russia has been widely reported AND explained at one point in time on the AOMP3 site itself. There are NO reports that I have seen (or you, either) of a popular recording company or artist stating that they have granted permission to AOMP3 or have received funds from them.

2. You are not answering the OP at any point.
What don't you get about my opinion that it is risky to send your money/CC number to unknown people in Russia? Addressed the OPs question directly.

OF COURSE my speculation on the future potential abuse of your email/payment information is conjecture, because it hasn't happened yet :rolleyes: Doesn't mean it's not something you should think about before opening your kimono to them.
 
Again, AOMp3's legality was never the point of the original post. In fact, the OP said this:


The original post asked:


The answer to those questions, in order:
  1. Yes.
  2. Potentially, but probably not.

We've managed to get a bit off-topic with this one, I feel.
CanadaRAM, I agree with you on the legality issues, however, epochblue observed a very good point; allofmp3's legality was never part of the question. davidjearly was correct when he stated you never answered the OP's question.
 
I've purchased quite a few albums from AllofMP3.com. They're a perfect example of how to sell digital audio online. Music unencumbered by DRM, multiple formats and bit rates, oh man, it was amazing. I could drop $100 there easily if I'm not careful.

The MAFIAA* (mpaa & riaa) just don't learn. Screw them I say, they're nothing but a price-fixing cartel anyway.
 

CanadaRAM, I agree with you on the legality issues, however, epochblue observed a very good point; allofmp3's legality was never part of the question. davidjearly was correct when he stated you never answered the OP's question.

Eh?

Q: Are we in danger as purchasers?
A: You are giving your money and/or charge card information to unknown people, [opinion]possibly criminals[/opinion], who sell you stolen product....you would have to be seven kinds of idiot to risk your money or account information this way.

Screw them I say, they're nothing but a price-fixing cartel anyway

Like the US Government then? http://www.copyright.gov/carp/ -- who are the body who 'fixed' the price for royalty payments for works that are performed, broadcast or sold (in the US).

http://www.taxi.com/transmitter/0512/musicbiz0512.html
 
I've purchased quite a few albums from AllofMP3.com. They're a perfect example of how to sell digital audio online. Music unencumbered by DRM, multiple formats and bit rates, oh man, it was amazing. I could drop $100 there easily if I'm not careful.

The MAFIAA* (mpaa & riaa) just don't learn. Screw them I say, they're nothing but a price-fixing cartel anyway.

You paid for illegal goods...you could have gone on P2P networks and done the same thing, without give out private info to criminals!


But that too would be illegal...too as in also, impleying Allpfmp3.com is illegal also!

Buy from a legal source. I'm not sure why people think the internet allows for free music? The game is the same, its just a few field. DRM is evil, and it will slowly die. Of course the reason DRM is here to start with is pirates(not thats it works, at all, people will keep buying CDs)
 
IANAL but I'll think you'll find that copyright infringement does not constitute theft in any legal system I'm aware of.

They're trying to push it in that direction, sadly.

By the way, I never said I liked the U.S. government either. ;)

Even if you buy a CD, the artist's portion of that revenue is some rediculously small amount. I even recall reading a report that detailed how CD revenue is split, and some artists actually OWE money.

If you want to support the artists, go to their concerts. You're not supporting them by giving your money to the record labels.
 
Even if you buy a CD, the artist's portion of that revenue is some rediculously small amount. I even recall reading a report that detailed how CD revenue is split, and some artists actually OWE money.
Pretty much every artist owe's money at the beginning because when they sign to a major label they get an advance. The label basically covers all the costs up front (even though odds are they'll never make it back) in hopes that the artist is popular enough to generate a profit. If the artist had the money to record, distribute, and advertise their album as well as tour extensively they wouldn't need to sign to a label to begin with.

If you want to support the artists, go to their concerts. You're not supporting them by giving your money to the record labels.
If you want to support artists don't screw them out of money and CD sales numbers. Both of which make them more attractive to labels and give them power at the bargaining table. Even sales of "cash cow" artists trickle down and help out the other 99% of artists that will never be a household name. The more money a major label has in its coffers the more likely it is to take a risk on a small, probably-never-going-to-be-mainstream band, but once those coffers start to dry up that same band is the first one to go.

If you don't want to pay for music why are you paying AllofMP3? You don't want to "support" the "price fixing cartels" because so little of the CD sale goes to the artist, so in protest you deal with a company that gives no money to the artist and wasn't even remotely involved in recording, producing, advertising, etc., the album in the first place. That makes no sense to me.


Lethal
 
Stealing = taking something (in this case, the right to reproduce the work) without permission.

AOMP3 charges you but they do not pay the artists.

and, that is the crux of hte issue: royalty payments. the **AA is not the rights arm of the artists. That is BMI, ASCAP. The RIAA is the "strongarm" of the labels. ASCAP/BMI are the ones the receive royalty payment, who then pay it to the artist. The labels don't give a sh*t about the artist - just look at the crap outhtere - $12 just to buy TWO (if that many) songs while the other 64 minutes is filler. When an artist or a band go into the studio, the advance is what the labels use to hold the artist,as the advance is used to hire the label's studio.

Until that advacne is recouped via sales, the band/artist doesn't see a dime. The model needs to change. The advance should not be considered a loan.

Now, I have a question for you: when you buy CD blanks to back up your music, do you buy the ones "for Music" or do you buy the ones for "Data"? If you think there is no difference you are wrong: The ones for Music have paid a royalty. That's why they cost more. If you use the less expensive blanks, you too are depriving the aritist of money. Cassette tape was also priced to include the realization that it was going to be used to copy music. The RIAA effectively killed the DAT for consumer use by the use of "copy flags" an early DRM.
 
The labels don't give a sh*t about the artist - just look at the crap outhtere - $12 just to buy TWO (if that many) songs while the other 64 minutes is filler.
The majors will push what sells. How many disco albums came out in the '80's or hair metal albums in the 90's? If there weren't millions of people supporting crappy bands/artists the major labels would drop them w/o a second thought.


Lethal
 
FWIW, I agree w/ the ethical concerns w/ using allofmp3 (note I didn't say "legal")... BUT, I think this discussion is largely moot, isn't it? I mean, my understanding is that one has to jump through several (shady) hoops to even buy /refill an account balance these days. The inconvenience of it would be enough to keep me away from it... Just my 2 cents....
 
Oh dear! What don't you get about this? I have NOT gave an opinion as to the legality/moral implications of AllofMP3.com. Therefore, I have no need to provide evidence to back up my non-existent, undocumented views.

No, bit you did see fit to challenge the information I posted as conjecture - conjecture - conjecture. Then you refuse to backup that challenge in any way, shape or form.

when you buy CD blanks to back up your music
Since I am in Canada, I have paid substantial royaties for years (cumulatively over $500 and counting) on each blank CD that I have purchased, for backing up my own data and backing up my purchased iTunes music. Next time some #&$^head posts that their piracy doesn't hurt anybody except the filthy rich popstars and their corrupt record companies, I'm gonna send THEM a bill for $500.

Even if you buy a CD, the artist's portion of that revenue is some rediculously small amount. I even recall reading a report that detailed how CD revenue is split, and some artists actually OWE money.
Woefully misinformed.
There are specific amounts set (in USA and Canada) for various uses of music, sale on CD, broadcast on radio, background music in a mall/restaurant, use in a movie or television show. If you follow the link I provided earlier, it details some of these. The rate for songwriters in the US is now approx 9 cents per song up to a maximum of approx 90 cents per album. There are other rates that apply as well, for performers and other categories -- Apple's deal with publishers averages IIRC 40 cents per tune, which covers the royalties and the record company profit. An individual artist's deal with the record company/distributor will depend on the terms of their contract.

You can say that this is a ridiculously small amount, but it represents 100% of the songwriter's income. Saying: "You get paid next to nothing per unit anyway, so you won't mind if I take what you produced and eliminate your income totally, do you?" is just #&$#.

What I said: Do the math. If you are paying less than 40 cents per tune for commercial music, someone is getting shafted. And there's no way that the commercial royalties are getting paid to anyone at a purchase price of 3 cents to 15 cents per tune. And if a service is selling Beatles tunes for 3 cents each, you already know they are operating without permission of the copyright holders, and therefore are in violation of contracts and 90% of the world's copyright law.

(For the sake of the argument, I will continue to use the common, not the legal, meaning of the word "stealing" as taking someone elses rights to something without permission. Someone else can argue whether theft or misappropration or whatever are the correct terms for copyright abuse)

Which means (getting back to the original question) why in the world would you trust them with your money and any part of your ID? They've stolen the goods, why would you assume they would treat you with any greater respect?
 
Unless you live where the website does (where this practice is apparently legal [enough]), you're breaking the law, plain and simple.

Paying for/receiving stolen goods is against the law.
Downloading music illegally is against the law.

No matter which path you take, you are breaking the law.

They download the music off p2p and then turn around and resell it. (That's an even worse infraction of the laws were talking about but nevertheless.)

Case closed.
 
And slowly but surely all of their resources are being shut down... Good luck even figuring out a way to pay them.

Personally, I would never give money to a site who in their FAQ answers the question "is this legal?" with "We think so."
 
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