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It doesn’t. But the EU can’t force their laws on your phone for a good reason- that would be horrible if you had to have your phone change to the host country’s laws every time you

It doesn’t. But the EU can’t force their laws on your phone for a good reason- that would be horrible if you had to have your phone change to the host country’s laws every time you entered.
By far the biggest contradiction on this thread. You don’t want Apple to allow people the freedom to install third party apps under the guise of “malware” or “I don’t need it so no one else does too” mentality.

You then proceed to state that you don’t want the EU the impose rules on people devices who aren’t from the EU.

Apple imposing rules against your options is exactly that. Pick a lane
 
I'm a happy Apple user, and have been for a long time. Not changing now.
 
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Okay you're right regarding work devices but please explain how will Adobe's creative suite or Microsoft's Visual Studio Code or Autodesk's AutoCAD will mess a private computer? See that's exactly my point, you are not feeling safe installing something outside of Apple's AppStore, that's fine with me and I respect it but just because you can install software outside of Apple's Store on your Mac doesn't mean that your Mac is less secure or someone forces you to do so.
You aren’t making a point at all. You’re trying to justify your position by ONLY listing Adobe, Microsoft, or Autodesk. Those verifiably legitimate and secure apps from reputable developers does NOT mean a system is NOT less secure by allowing side-loading. For every reputable developer you mentioned…there‘s a shady one as well and you seem to be ignoring that. The simple fact that something that ISN’T legitimate or reputable can be downloaded easily…makes it less secure. macOS and Windows are inherently less secure due to the simple fact that software can be downloaded from anywhere.
 
You aren’t making a point at all. You’re trying to justify your position by ONLY listing Adobe, Microsoft, or Autodesk. Those verifiably legitimate and secure apps from reputable developers does NOT mean a system is NOT less secure by allowing side-loading. For every reputable developer you mentioned…theres a shady one as well and you seem to be ignoring that. The simple fact that something that ISN’T legitimate or reputable can be downloaded easily…makes it less secure. macOS and Windows are inherently less secure due to the simple fact that software can be downloaded from anywhere.
I'm not going to try to open your eyes here but my last two cents, here is a recent example for Apple's "good" review team (Feb 2024):
Warning: Fraudulent App Impersonating LastPass Currently Available in Apple App Store
 
No effort is too great to only do the bare minimum and to protect the rest of the world from too much freedom. :cool:
 
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So installing Emulators, other software like AdGuard to have Ad Blocking Systemwise and not only in Safari and other Apps that in Apple's opinion are not good enough for their Business Model will be malicious in your opinion? Just curious, are you installing all your software through the AppStore on your Mac? In the end nobody forces you to install an application outside of Apple's AppStore. As a consumer and developer, I like having the freedom of choice.
How much do you think a drop in AppStore revenue will effect Apple's stock value? That is likely the biggest reason for these decisions.. Myself as a fairly significant holder of Apple stocks certainly don't want to lose part of my 401K, so that someone can add a emulator (which is pirating BTW - as no one actually owns a real copy of the games they play).
 
I am granting Apple a grace period of undetermined length during which they may bill me for my phone. After which they no longer have the right to charge me any monetary amount for their hardware or services, as I will have revoked permission for them to do so.
 
The TOS are a contract between a user and Apple. The TOS could have a clause that says, if you leave the territory of the EU for xx days, then we void the contract. But I doubt that would fly with courts in the EU. Unfair clauses in TOS are struck down by EU courts all the time.
What is the difference between this and having regional control of media rights? Such as watching BBC in Australia? If I have a BBC Licence and want to travel somewhere else, I cannot have access to that programming even if I have that licence. Unless I use a VPN, which is always (attempted) at being blocked.

Unless you believe the EU think themselves above laws in other countries.
 
How much do you think a drop in AppStore revenue will effect Apple's stock value? That is likely the biggest reason for these decisions.. Myself as a fairly significant holder of Apple stocks certainly don't want to lose part of my 401K, so that someone can add a emulator (which is pirating BTW - as no one actually owns a real copy of the games they play).
As I said in another post lately on the forum. I understand Stock holders defending Apple's decision to maximizhe or save their revenue, I wouldn't do different if I were you, the thing I don't understand are normal users who find different excuses to justify it and denying that it has to do with revenue.
 
Actually, this does encourage me to stay with Apple. Not that I had any plans not to.
I hate those stupid, useless eurocrats who get to decide what colour my toilet paper must be, or which hand I am allowed to use to scratch my nose, or how many times a day I am allowed to sneeze.
I bought an iPhone knowing full well how its app store worked. If I hadn't liked it, I wouldn't have bought it. I don't need a fat politician to appoint himself as my nanny and decide what I should or should not install on my own device.
So, the harder Apple fight against this, the more difficult they make this feature to use, the more I like them.
I'm with you on the dislike of govt overreach. The smaller and less intrusive a govt, the better.
However, one of govt few jobs is consumer protection and breaking up monopolies. Obligations they've all but forgotten it seems.
 
I am granting Apple a grace period of undetermined length during which they may bill me for my phone. After which they no longer have the right to charge me any monetary amount for their hardware or services, as I will have revoked permission for them to do so.

The old tin foil hat "sovereign citizen" argument huh? 😂

And there goes your credit rating!!
 
Unless you believe the EU think themselves above laws in other countries.
I'm saying, that when you enter into an agreement with Apple inside the EU, that agreement is not automatically voided, when one of the parties exits the territory of the EU physically.

Licensing rights are a different story. Here, it's known upfront (read the contract), that you can't play some content in other geographies.
 
The lack of ability to update apps while not in the EU is not good enough. It introduces a security hole, as security updates will be parked until the person returns to the EU.

This will affect tens of thousands of cross-border workers, and students like my daughter who is from Ireland, but goes to college in the UK. Ireland is not the only country with a land border with non-EU countries, or who imports/exports students. There will be many people adversely affected by this.

And this from a company that's supposed to be all in on security!
From what I understand, updates will work during this grace period, which I suppose will be around 60-90 days, which is the max amount of days countries allow you to visit during vacations, or without an special permit.

I honestly believe Apple will eventually open up iOS, but doing so in a worldwide case with so little time to prepare is bound to create more problems. The EU is basically serving as a giant trial for Apple.
 
Funny, that Apple thinks they can contain the "spirit" of the DMA physically to the EU. I predict that more countries will follow soon with similar legislation.
So far Apple only has to support the Eu decision in the EU; should other countries mandate similar actions then Apple will support those regions until it became easier to make a global change.

Right now the Eu are beta testers.
 
I'm saying, that when you enter into an agreement with Apple inside the EU, that agreement is not automatically voided, when one of the parties exits the territory of the EU physically.

Licensing rights are a different story. Here, it's known upfront (read the contract), that you can't play some content in other geographies.
You can't have it both ways. People also know it upfront as well. Otherwise, why are we here? I don't believe the EU have control of Apple Products outside of the EU, but happy to be shown this contract or agreement that means people can openly use alternative apps stores outside of the EU.

The agreement to allow alternative market places is clearly while they are in the EU.

To reflect the Digital Markets Act's changes, users in the European Union are able to install alternative app marketplaces and install apps offered through alternative app marketplaces in iOS 17.4 or later. The country or region of your Apple ID must be set to one of the countries or regions of the European Union, and you must be physically located in the European Union.
 
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We don’t need any 3rd party crapstores to begin with. We don’t want IOS to become next android bloat full of malware and viruses.

Mac OS is open, and to be honest, is pretty safe for those that follow basic rules. Even when downloading apps from outside the App Store.

Android is bloated because they choose to be that way. Google has never cared about quality apps or any kind of control on the quality of apps they accept.

The App Store will always be controlled and a safe place to look for apps.
 
You can't have it both ways. People also know it upfront as well. Otherwise, why are we here?
This is not about who want's it in which way, that's your private decision, it's about contract law. The relation between users and Apple is still governed by a contract. And companies can't change the contract, just because someone is physically crossing a border.
 
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I'm saying, that when you enter into an agreement with Apple inside the EU, that agreement is not automatically voided, when one of the parties exits the territory of the EU physically.
In this case it literally is voided once you live outside the EU long-term.
Licensing rights are a different story. Here, it's known upfront (read the contract), that you can't play some content in other geographies.
If you read the "contract" around the DMA decision it is also known upfront.
 
Makes sense to me. EU laws don’t apply outside of the EU.
It’s not always the case. For example GPDR applies to European users wherever they are in the world. The EU could easily mandate that the alternative app stores are made available to Europeans wherever they are.
 
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curious but…would you prefer an echo chamber of only agreements and supportive fan boys?

Ummm.. is your experience that there are "only supportive fanboys" here?

Because I see a TON of people here who are extremely critical of Apple here and that's a good thing.

However, there's little value in the opinions of someone who doesn't even use the products. Their opinions are based on... what exactly?
 
Actually, this does encourage me to stay with Apple. Not that I had any plans not to.
I hate those stupid, useless eurocrats who get to decide what colour my toilet paper must be, or which hand I am allowed to use to scratch my nose, or how many times a day I am allowed to sneeze.
I bought an iPhone knowing full well how its app store worked. If I hadn't liked it, I wouldn't have bought it. I don't need a fat politician to appoint himself as my nanny and decide what I should or should not install on my own device.
So, the harder Apple fight against this, the more difficult they make this feature to use, the more I like them.
Rare take, for some reason. But I agree. I want them to harden the walled garden even more and add a moat around it.
 
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