alternative to crap cleaner

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  1. Davycrocket825 macrumors newbie

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    The latest update of cclenaner every time you run you get annoying pop up asking for your [password is there a good alternative ?
     
  2. nambuccaheadsau macrumors 65816

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    Uninstall CCC you don't need it and Onyx is a good all round utility. Make sure you download the correct version for your operating system.Download direct from Titanium Software.


    https://www.titanium-software.fr/en/onyx.html
     
  3. mj_, Jul 10, 2018
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    Then, once you've downloaded Onyx make sure to delete it right away and never use any cleaner application ever again. They do more harm then good and are utterly useless and pointless in both macOS and Windows.
     
  4. simonsi macrumors 601

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    CCC usually stands for Carbon Copy Cloner...that's an excellent piece of software
     
  5. davidmartindale macrumors regular

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    Ehh, I disagree, CCleaner does a pretty good job of clearing out unneeded cache files and whatnot, especially on Windows.
     
  6. simonsi macrumors 601

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    "unneeded cache files" may be an oxymoron...CCleaner may be the dogs on Windows but this is OSX, I have <never> removed a single cache file in 7years of continuous usage, OSX simply doesn't need it. But if you really want your system to have to needlessly recreate cache files you delete then go right ahead.
     
  7. Davycrocket825 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thanks for your reply how do I find out which Version ? I am running Mac high Sierra 10.13.6
     
  8. mj_ macrumors 6502

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    There is no such thing as an "unneeded" cache file. macOS and Windows clean out their cache directories by themselves once the files have become stale but what CCleaner, Onyx, and others do is to claim to have deleted unnecessary stuff to make themselves appear useful and important when in reality deleting cache files slows down the system significantly. They exist for a reason, and deleting them is pretty stupid.
     
  9. Kognito macrumors regular

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    This. macOS is designed to manage its own caches. If these tools were necessary, does anyone really think Apple wouldn't have been capable of baking cache management into its own systems?

    The 'Mac Cleaner' type apps have long been a scam by people and companies who noticed that if you delete a cache, you can report to the user that the system now has more free storage (hurray!)... for a few hours until the OS wastes CPU cycles rebuilding that cache up again. Nothing more than a con to pray on people who don't really understand how their computers work beyond using them day to day.

    The one exception is Windows which does an awesome job at filling its registry with rubbish from leftover programs and then running into issues down the road. Even then, I think I'd rather a fresh install of Windows every so often rather than running a 'cleaner' on it.
     
  10. davidmartindale macrumors regular

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    That is true that cache files are created for a reason. However, macOS really is not that great at automatically deleting old caches that are no longer used. Also caches can become corrupt and cause issues with their related program.

    Have you ever seen or heard of a Mac that shows a huge amount of storage is taken up by "System" or "Other"? About 3 out of 5 times that is caused by cache files that are not being handled properly by the OS.

    Also CCleaner is good for uninstalling applications that don't have their own uninstaller and for some apps works better to uninstall than the actual uninstaller for that program.

    CCleaner can also remove language support for languages besides your default language for your device.
     
  11. simonsi macrumors 601

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    And yet, running over 7yrs, such cache cleaning is not required. I'd trust OSX to manage caches <it> created rather than some 3rd party app that has no idea. Yes if I look there are some trivial traces of old programs no longer installed. Wow.
     
  12. davidmartindale macrumors regular

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    I personally have never had any issues with caches either. With that being said I have actually seen apps like CCleaner make a big difference in system performance and storage. And some apps leave behind quite a large amount of data.

    Also you seem like you're being kind of snarky little guy, really no need for that mate.


    EDIT: When I say never had any issues with caches I want to state that I meant storage issues. I have had issues where a corrupt cache has prevented an application from working correctly and remove that programs caches from the hidden library resolved the issue.
     
  13. simonsi macrumors 601

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    You assume too much.

    So are you basing your recommendation entirely on its performance on Windows, and fixing problems such as with caches that you have never had? The value of a forum is to bring personal experience. My personal experience is over 7yrs on several Macs I have never needed a cleaner app. As others have posted they can cause problems and bluntly removing caches and freeing up space, but causing the OS to have to rebuild them isn't a positive experience. But YMMV.
     
  14. davidmartindale macrumors regular

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    I never mentioned anything about Windows. I was referring to macOS specifically. And this is from personal experience. My personal Mac has had very few issues. However I service Macs for a living and troubleshoot between 10 and 25 Macs a day so I think I have a bit of experience with Macs and how they work.

    Note: I have been using several Macs for over a decade. You and I have clearly had different experiences. Its just like when people say that iOS updates ruin their iPhones. Well in the 8 years I have been using iPhones I have never had any issues like that. So different people have different experiences.
     
  15. simonsi macrumors 601

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    I went by the above. But probably best we leave it there.
     
  16. davidmartindale macrumors regular

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    Fair enough, but worth noting that it does say "especially"

    But I agree, we shall leave it at that
     

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