I'm sure there would be some people that choose to run Windows or MS-DOS on their iPhone/smart fridge/watch/playstation/electric car. Doesn't mean we should allow it.
Why does it matter to you or anyone what other people do with their devices?
I'm sure there would be some people that choose to run Windows or MS-DOS on their iPhone/smart fridge/watch/playstation/electric car. Doesn't mean we should allow it.
Recent events have gotten me thinking about this as well. For now, my tentative conclusion is that it comes down to individual rights vs collective rights.Why do you think people still advocate for those alternatives, even knowin’ they ain’t near as safe?
Why do they, knowingly, bringin’ more damn uncertainty into this world, and they know it?
What is it, do you think, that pulls them in that direction?
I find this a strange thing to “announce”. Ultimately they have no control over the situation; it’s up to the countries/regions to legislate their digital platform rules.AltStore today announced plans to make its iPhone app available in Australia, Brazil, and Japan later this year, followed by the UK next year.
No, but macOS & Apple do support running Mac apps, irrespective of where they're sourced from.
My point about "App Stores" being simply a created construct/aggregations of Apps is that the Apps themselves are indistinguishable irrespective of source, short of being vetted for compliance with individual objectives or restrictions of a given store (business objectives in the case of the iOS or Mac App Stores).
Running Apps built for totally different platforms isn't relevant here.
Yes. It’s just that accepting tradeoffs are monumentally difficult for some people.At the end of the day, life is all about tradeoffs.
What’s odd is seeing folks advocate for government regulation to force companies to operate in a way that’s antithetical to their philosophy instead of buying the product that works best for you.Do people not realize all the different places they get macOS software from, right now?
It's so odd to watch folks advocate against having those same consumer freedoms on iOS.
If you’re interested in Fortnite, maybe? Or emulating forever ago games. No, wait, the Delta Emulator is also on the regular App Store. Sooooo, Fortnite it is!Is altstore any good? Is there anything of interest on there?
People seem to like choice only up to a point. They don’t like the fact that choice includes choosing what to buy because that requires a little more personal responsibility than they can muster.I still think it's wrong that any company is required to integrate native app marketplaces they don't approve of, so it's hard to imagine the core of that announcement not feeling somewhat perverse, even in Riley's mind, on some level.
The Fediverse integration is innovative; I'll give him that. And he's announced a (relatively meagre but existent) fund for contributions to other projects that are more primarily Fediverse-based, which I think is great.
Right? App Stores have been around for quite awhile. Now, if they were bringing forth new hardware, with an innovative OS and UI along with that, THAT would be worth looking into. This is just “We’ve figured out how to use someone else’s code (open source) to make money on someone else’s platform! But, check out the name, we did that all ourselves! Way to innovate, right?”This isn’t innovation. Nothing has been innovated or invented. It’s just a way for cartels and gangs to get extra layers of obfuscation to avoid detection when they do crimes on phones. You will have no right to complain about freedoms you lose because the pace of wealth being stolen by these gangs and cartels has made them kings in places like Dubai and they will be your kings soon too.
Part of this was what the developers and publishers in the EU wanted. They know that, today, they make more money on iOS because it’s juuuust hard enough for people to steal apps that they just pay for them instead. They, in NO way, wanted iOS to become like Android, they just wanted some of the money Apple was making for themselves, so they wanted Apple having control over the other App Stores.I know people here love to snark about how nobody is using this but I hope you understand that’s because the EU was so incompetent in writing the regulations that Apple managed to get away with implementing a system that makes zero sense to use
Not only is it choke full of scare screens but it also requires all apps to be notarized which means you still gotta pay €99 a year to release apps this way, also there’s that Core Technology Fee
Unless your app violates the content policies of the App Store there’s no reason to bother jumping through all these hoops
And, people don’t realize all the different places they get macOS software from, right now because the vast majority of people don’t even know what a macOS is.What’s odd is seeing folks advocate for government regulation to force companies to operate in a way that’s antithetical to their philosophy instead of buying the product that works best for you.
I'm a fan of choices that make sense.
I'm sure there would be some people that choose to run Windows or MS-DOS on their iPhone/smart fridge/watch/playstation/electric car. Doesn't mean we should allow it.
Whether it's 6 or 6,000 or 6 million, the point is consumer choice, which we should all be fans of.
Please refrain from the term “side-loading”, it’s simply installing software you want to on hardware you own, the same as from “official” sources. We need to stop redefining language for various agendas.I'm honestly a bit baffled that no one here is actually naming what it is they're missing from the Apple Store. A few folks mumble something about emulators—fair enough—but beyond that? Silence. Are the pro-sideloading crowd secretly pining for hardcore porn apps, digital bloodbaths, or some kind of underground freebie software smorgasbord? I mean, what's the endgame here?
It’s only a matter of time before some larger company (or group of companies) with a range of widely used apps decides to open their own App Store and remove the choice of using Apple’s App Store. The people who are against it understands that large companies can’t help but encrapify themselves. Look at all the companies that removed MY choice of using Apple’s payment processing primarily because Apple’s system allows easy cancellation of any subscription.As long as I have the option to ignore this and stick with Apple's App Store, I'm happy.
Essentially, “Let us lock in the commanding position of the US tech companies so it doesn’t make sense for anyone to introduce ACTUAL innovation in the way of new hardware, BUT try to reduce their profits.” Which is what Vestager was trying to do. Apple benefitted users and provided actual consumer choice by creating the iPhone. Does the EU think that Apple would have been MORE “innovative” if they just created an App Store for Nokia phones?According to the EC, the main point of the DMA is to promote so-called "competition" within the EU, specifically among software developers, specifically amid existing hardware platforms. "Benefit to users" and "consumer choice" is in there, but I'd say it's more incidental, and I think whether either goal has been achieved remains debatable and might always remain subjective.
Please refrain from using a term that was coined in the late 1990s? NOT calling it sideloading is redefining language for a very specific agenda, so I’ll keep using the word that means “install (software, especially an app) obtained from a third-party source rather than an official retailer.”Please refrain from the term “side-loading”, it’s simply installing software you want to on hardware you own, the same as from “official” sources. We need to stop redefining language for various agendas.
Please refrain from using a term that was coined in the late 1990s? NOT calling it sideloading is redefining language for a very specific agenda, so I’ll keep using the word that means “install (software, especially an app) obtained from a third-party source rather than an official retailer.”
Phones and computers are different. Different OS, different form, different purposes, different security, etc.Do people not realize all the different places they get macOS software from, right now?
It's so odd to watch folks advocate against having those same consumer freedoms on iOS.
Phones and computers are different. Different OS, different form, different purposes, different security, etc.
Everyone can buy a phone or a computer from a myriad of developers. That is freedom.
Do people not realize how much easier it is to get all software from a single App Store?Do people not realize all the different places they get macOS software from, right now?
Apple could absolutely make iPhones/iPads behave exactly like macOS on security/gatekeeper and things would be just fine.