Am I correct that 13" MBP 2017 only has integrated graphics?

hajime

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When I checked the specs of my laptop (I did not pay attention when I bought it), no ATI GPU was shown. Is it true that the 13" of MBP 2017 only come with integrated graphics?
 

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When I checked the specs of my laptop (I did not pay attention when I bought it), no ATI GPU was shown. Is it true that the 13" of MBP 2017 only come with integrated graphics?
All 13" and sub-13" Apple notebooks use and have ever used integrated graphics, same for 2013-2015 base 15" models. From 2016 on, all 15" models went back to discrete GPUs.
 
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leman

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The 13" Macbook prior to 2011 used Nvidia graphics as the Intel core 2 processors did not contain a graphics core.
Which was still a integrated GPU. In that time, integrated GPUs as well as memory controllers were part of the mainboard chipset. So these MBP models were using Nvidia mainboard chipsets with integrated graphics. That stopped being an option once Intel moved to on-die memory controllers and GPUs.
 
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hajime

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My definition of integrated is anything not discrete GPU.

The last time I used a 13" was over two years ago. This time I just bought it to test the butterfly keyboard and 4K display.

It is not that bad. I could sit in a toilet while using it on my laps for over 10 minutes.

However if a MBP 2018 is released, I probably would go for a 15" as it has more screen estate.
 

leman

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By "integrated", I was referring to situations where the gpu was part of the cpu die rather than being being soldered to the logic board.
The technical definition of an integrated GPU is a GPU that is integrated with some other core component and uses system memory, as opposed to a dedicated/discrete GPU that is its own chip, has its own memory and needs to communicate with the host system via a data bus. GPUs integrated on a CPU die are a relatively new tech and only appeared on the market around 8 years ago. Before that they were integrated into the mainboard chipset (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northbridge_(computing)).
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My definition of integrated is anything not discrete GPU.
It doesn't help much if you can't define what discrete GPU is, right?
 

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For example, in 2010 MBP, there is an integrated graphics chip called "Intel HD Graphics" and a dedicated discrete Nvidia GeForce GT 330M GPU.
 
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