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Discussion in 'Mac Apps and Mac App Store' started by rockinrocker, Feb 23, 2012.
I guess the title says it all....
Once Mountain Lion comes out, I imagine Growl will die.
I kept on being annoyed about the updated version, so I just turned Growl notifications off.
That's the risk of providing a missing feature, apple finally improves the notification system. Still it will take time for developers to switch gears.
Yeah, I saw the changes list.
I figure I'll just keep the old version for now so it'll work with older apps....
Notification Center will only work with MAS apps, so there will still be a good reason to use Growl on Mountain Lion for a lot of people. Plus, since Growl itself is a MAS app, it could possibly integrate non-MAS notifications into Notification Center.
That's true. In the mean time, Growl should be good for most people. I just don't understand why they are charging for it even though it's open source.
It's a welcome improvement, and I'm looking forward to notification center.
How do you know it will only work with MAS apps? Is that how it currently is in the developer preview?
I think that iCloud access and Notification Center access are both limited to MAS apps (since the apps will have access to Apple's iCloud or push notifiation servers.)
Yeah, that does make sense. They could however include a version that just does local notifications, so to speak (for apps you have open).
Yes, they do. Push requires MAS; local does not.
To answer your question, no, you're not.
In fact, you're probably better off. The new version has 2 annoying features, first is displaying all growl notifications that popped up while you were away from your computer. You can set these to only display if you've been away for a long time though so I just maxed out the time to get rid of them (can't actually turn them off, which is ridiculous). Second, they added a taskbar icon which cannot be removed. I already have a few things in my taskbar so don't like to add unnecessary stuff but there is no option to keep Growl on yet remove the icon.
Ah. Yes, this is the type of thing I was wondering about.
Those two features would annoy me as well.
Looks like I wait this one out for the time being.
First, open source does not automatically mean free.
Second, it takes time and money to maintain the app as well as distribute it - so the small fee they charge seems reasonable to me.
The fee isn't unreasonable. I'm just not too happy that it was installed on my computer without my permission (likely as part of another app or something).
But still, if I can compile the source myself, why would I pay for it?
Adium and Dropbox are two off the top of my head that install it with the app.
Don't blame the Growl developers for that, however. They've explicitly told developers in a public note on their website and in their documentation that they are not to install it without permission. Adium and Dropbox both install it, but only after presenting you with the option (in the most recent versions of each, at least). It's easy to miss if you tend to just click through installers though.
Okay, I'm glad that they've told developers not to do that. Not sure which program was at fault, but it was quite a while ago. I don't use Adium or Dropbox.
Give it a few weeks after Mountain Lion releases. Someone will release some sort of hack to make it work on all apps.
Your choice, which is good. Me? I'm willing to pay $5 to not have to compile it and get auto updates via MAS so i don't have to recompile or d/l a build every time a new version is released.
Or you could presumably just use Growl to integrate with Notification Center and not have to worry about Apple kicking the hacks off their push notification server.
Since i dont use other idevices i could care less about the notification syncing and it would be supremely stupid if Apple did not allow non MAS apps access to local notification API.
Apple's push notification server isn't about syncing notifications. For example, notifications of breaking news can be pushed to your Mac. No need to have an app open for each news source.