Am I missing something on why people are so bent out of shape about FaceID?


Suckfest 9001

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Well yes it's optional but it removes Touch ID, which was loved by many, including myself. Touch ID seems to be faster (based on the demos I've seen) and doesn't require a certain angle in order to authenticate - it just works better and makes more sense on a table for example.

It's not exactly "the world is ending" bad but it's still technically worse in some ways.
 

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Well yes it's optional but it removes Touch ID, which was loved by many, including myself. Touch ID seems to be faster (based on the demos I've seen) and doesn't require a certain angle in order to authenticate - it just works better and makes more sense on a table for example.

It's not exactly "the world is ending" bad but it's still technically worse in some ways.
Just like the headphone jack and the home button, eventually consumers will adjust. Apple is essentially forcing you to, unless they somehow figure out a way to have touch id under the screen in future iterations.
 

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Just like the headphone jack and the home button, eventually consumers will adjust. Apple is essentially forcing you to, unless they somehow figure out a way to have touch id under the screen in future iterations.
I'm kinda getting a little tired of needing to adjust to dumb decisions year after year to be honest. And it's also a negative influence on the industry when Apple pulls stuff like this (Pixel 2 and the headphone jack is a prime example).

Same with the terrible MacBook Pros they just released with USB-C-only connectivity. Just a massive dumb donglefest.
 

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Well with this one I'm not sure bluetooth technology will ever reproduce the quality of sound a hardwired pair of studio quality headphones will produce.
No, it will not. It'll sound more than good enough most of the time, but for "more-than-casual" listening it's not sufficient.
 

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I honestly think some people don’t like change and that’s the underlying reason they are complaining.
People complain when the change reduces the quality. That's more than fair to complain about.

Trying to pin this on "people don't like change" is silly.
 

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No, it will not. It'll sound more than good enough most of the time, but for "more-than-casual" listening it's not sufficient.
Honestly it's not an issue for me but I do see how it could be an issue for a lot of other people. That being said the most reliable and quality(and cheapest) way for me to use headphones while on a phone call is still a hard wired connection using the apple provided, lighting port headphones.
 

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I'm kinda getting a little tired of needing to adjust to dumb decisions year after year to be honest. And it's also a negative influence on the industry when Apple pulls stuff like this (Pixel 2 and the headphone jack is a prime example).

Same with the terrible MacBook Pros they just released with USB-C-only connectivity. Just a massive dumb donglefest.
You can buy all in one adaptors nowadays for $100. I'm lucky in that i don't use the connectivity ports of my laptop very much, so i got away with only having to buy a usb-c to ethernet/hdmi 2.0.

The good thing is Apple has 4 phones (6s, 7, 8, SE) that you can choose from and keep your beloved touch ID. It may well be that one day you won't have a choice and Touch ID will be phased out in phones, however i doubt that will happen. I think in a year or 2 they'll figure out a way to add a fingerprint scanner under the OLED screen so that people have the option to use either.
 
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Just like the headphone jack and the home button, eventually consumers will adjust. Apple is essentially forcing you to, unless they somehow figure out a way to have touch id under the screen in future iterations.
I think in a year or 2 they'll figure out a way to add a fingerprint scanner under the OLED screen so that people have the option to use either.
Apple cannot and will not force anyone to do anything. You have the option of either supporting the iPhone X or taking advantage of another iPhone in their lineup that has touch ID. The iPhone X is not meant to be for everyone, which is why Apple has alternatives in their iPhone line up currently.

Furthermore, touch ID being embedded under the display is not an option for Apple anymore. That was stated in an interview with Craig Federighi that touch ID was always Plan B, when they got Face ID operating as intended, Apple abandoned touch ID all together. However, it was confirmed the Apple was experimenting with touch ID under the display at one point. Touch ID is not coming back, Face ID is Apples future currently.

https://daringfireball.net/2017/09/iphone_x_event_thoughts_and_observations
 

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I don’t think many are ‘bent out of shape about face ID’ itself, just mystified as to why Apple think it’s worth paying an extra £300 for.

I must be missing something as I still can’t figure out how the iPhone X is worth the premium? I’ve seen plenty of regurgitated marketing drivel about ‘latest tech’ and ‘this is the future’, but that’s been the line every year without a significant price hike.
 

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I don’t think many are ‘bent out of shape about face ID’ itself, just mystified as to why Apple think it’s worth paying an extra £300 for.

I must be missing something as I still can’t figure out how the iPhone X is worth the premium? I’ve seen plenty of regurgitated marketing drivel about ‘latest tech’ and ‘this is the future’, but that’s been the line every year without a significant price hike.
The display
 

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Honestly it's not an issue for me but I do see how it could be an issue for a lot of other people. That being said the most reliable and quality(and cheapest) way for me to use headphones while on a phone call is still a hard wired connection using the apple provided, lighting port headphones.
I've never used wired headphones for phone calls. Always seemed awkward to me.

Either I hold the handset up to my ear or I use speaker or AirPods.
 
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Well yes it's optional but it removes Touch ID, which was loved by many, including myself. Touch ID seems to be faster (based on the demos I've seen) and doesn't require a certain angle in order to authenticate - it just works better and makes more sense on a table for example.

It's not exactly "the world is ending" bad but it's still technically worse in some ways.
Yep... this falls under the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" but yet Apple felt the need to... and then pulls out the "you had a 1 in 50k chance of getting your phone unlocked by a random fingerprint... that's now 1 in 1M with Face ID" garbage at the keynote.

Dude, you really think those random statistics pulled out of someone's arse is going to influence my buying decision?

If someone wants your phone... they'll get it. End of discussion.
 
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Apple cannot and will not force anyone to do anything. You have the option of either supporting the iPhone X or taking advantage of another iPhone in their lineup that has touch ID. The iPhone X is not meant to be for everyone, which is why Apple has alternatives in their iPhone line up currently.

Furthermore, touch ID being embedded under the display is not an option for Apple anymore. That was stated in an interview with Craig Federighi that touch ID was always Plan B, when they got Face ID operating as intended, Apple abandoned touch ID all together. However, it was confirmed the Apple was experimenting with touch ID under the display at one point. Touch ID is not coming back, Face ID is Apples future currently.

https://daringfireball.net/2017/09/iphone_x_event_thoughts_and_observations
In that case, so long as the internals are upgraded similarly between Apple's flagship model and their Touch ID models, people really shouldn't have a basis to complain. At that point, all you are really losing out on is the better display and better front-facing camera.
 

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The display
That’s not worth the premium either though is it? Even the manufacturer of that screen does not put a hefty premium on their own products that have slightly superior displays.

If that is enough to convince you then fair enough but I’m yet to be convinced. I would say you’re Apples target audience for this device.
 

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I don’t think many are ‘bent out of shape about face ID’ itself, just mystified as to why Apple think it’s worth paying an extra £300 for.

I must be missing something as I still can’t figure out how the iPhone X is worth the premium? I’ve seen plenty of regurgitated marketing drivel about ‘latest tech’ and ‘this is the future’, but that’s been the line every year without a significant price hike.
To you, it's just a glorified selfie/front camera.

To Apple, it's the culmination of at least two years of serious R&D that they now get to profit from. Every analyst that's commented on it has said that the competition is now two years behind.

It's expensive because it's new. Give it a year or two and prices with drop accordingly with maturing tech, as it always does.
 

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I'm kinda getting a little tired of needing to adjust to dumb decisions year after year to be honest. And it's also a negative influence on the industry when Apple pulls stuff like this (Pixel 2 and the headphone jack is a prime example).

Same with the terrible MacBook Pros they just released with USB-C-only connectivity. Just a massive dumb donglefest.
dongles are temporary. USB C is better than usb A in EVERYWAY
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will faceid work if i set it up without facial hair but grow my facial hair out due to being off for several days straight?
yes. this was announced at the keynote. hair cuts, hair growth, hats, glasses, dont matter, it learns your face. im lookin forward to this in the winter when i have stupid useless touch screen gloves
 
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It's been gone over a thousand times, and some will love it and some will hate it for various reasons.

I love TouchID, however it is clear that there is a reason there was no intention to implement TouchID in the X.

From what I've seen of FaceID, my main dislike is that you don't have to do anything to invoke it. If the phone is awake then it's scanning and accepting/rejecting faces, and possibly prompting for passcodes more often than not. I can imagine if you're just waving it around, it's going "nope", "nope", "nope" at a bunch of faces and then requiring a passcode.

I liked TouchID because I had to deliberately place my finger on the sensor to authenticate. It was a deliberate action and if I didn't do that action then it would never try and authenticate.
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dongles are temporary. USB C is better than usb A in EVERYWAY
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yes. this was announced at the keynote. hair cuts, hair growth, hats, glasses, dont matter.
That's before they gimped it to get yield up /s
 
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