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What else actually?
Processor - now a hex core for 15" quad core for the 13" Benchmarks are showing that this is a huge improvement. The 15" has the option for the i9 if you want even more processing.
GPU upgraded, though I don't know much about this.
Ram upgraded to have over 16GB
T2 Chip for added security/benefits (I really don't know but people are talking).
Keyboard is now gen 3 and tear down reports indicate it may be better at avoiding the sticky key issue.
True tone display
Even faster storage

So basically nearly every thing in the the computer has been upgraded but you're only considering true tone? I'd say this is probably one of the biggest updates in recent history.
 
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Echoing other comments in this thread, this seems to be the biggest non-redesign update since 2011 (which introduced quad-core CPUs, FaceTime HD, Thunderbolt, pretty decent dGPUs - not withstanding their later failure... - and SATA III storage).

Quad-core 13" in particular seems to make the dream of a very small, powerful laptop a reality. I won't be upgrading from my 2016 just yet, but it's an exciting update if you're in the market.
 
I think it is a good release - my only gripe is the lack of change to the FaceTime Camera and possible inclusion to FaceID.

A bonus would be some kind of feedback and perhaps raising of the touch bar to around the same height as the keys (but that is because I am not a fan of it).
 
I think Apple will be killing the entry level MBPs, the starting will be $1800 instead of $1300
and the new models like Macbook Air 2 or New Macbook will be pricing at $1300
So there will be no such thing as budget macbook in the future, except buying older models produced a few years ago

What do you want from a computer... TBH if your questioning the price then its not the product for you. You need to manage expectation with need and use. Many people get lost and criticize yet dont need the capability. These are now serious machines that will be proper desktop replacements for people because they outperform most of the apple line.

If you make money with the machine its a drop in the ocean. One project for me would pay for any of the reasonable configs of these macbook pros.

The macbook pro has been lacking in recent years so now people think the macbook pro is the baseline... thats not the case and I wish they had discontinued the low end macbook pros for this reason.

The high end macbooks and non touchbar macbook pros perform within 10-15% of each other, yet the macbook is far lighter and a much smaller footprint yet is only an inch smaller. They are amazing machines, im a pro photographer and have the slowest base line 2015 macbook and its great even now. Has no issue chomping through 30mp 5DMKIV files with the newest metal and lightroom updates.

I mean you cant get much slower it benches at like 2500 single and 4400 single, its piss poor on paper. Yet the new metal updates in HS and Adobe CC becoming more optimized the laptop feels quick. You can edit 4k on it... although I wouldn't want to render it on the machine. Oh and you can buy them for like £400 now...

I couldn't use is as a main machine but for cataloging, the odd edit, social media and media consumption it is excellent. The 2017 version on the macbook is almost twice the speed and could probably do the job, thats where your price point is. I dont know why there is so much stigma toward them they are excellent products for the majority of people. The only downside is the single port.

The problem isnt with the macbook pros its with the offerings from intel. There isnt a chip available from intel in this generation to update them therefore it hasnt happened.

At the end of the day the pro machines are for pros and have a price tag to match. This update should be hushing people saying they arent pro machines because the capability of even the i7 quad touch bar 13" is insane. Its faster than almost everything but much higher end machines. Its in 8th place on the single core mac list which insane for an entry level pro product. Its 43% faster single core than my mac pro in my sig and roughly 17% faster multicore... thats insane for a 13" macbook. Granted my mac pro is from 2010 with a 2012 CPU but in 6 years for a portable to be able to replace that level of machine is beyond impressive. Its port selection also enables things that my pro machine cant.

The base 13 macbook pro quad is about 10% slower so still blazing fast. First big processor update in 7 years, there has been very little to upgrade for... this is it. Doubling performance is a 2000's thing it doesn't happen anymore and yet here we are.

For me i have enough multicore performance in my mac pro but the single is the struggle. To replace a huge desktop with a 13" macbook pro and get more performance (On paper) is mental, then unplug it and take that performance with me is incredible. Its the ultimate portable studio atm especially if you add an EGPU, raid array etc

If you cant see value in that then im not sure what you will see value in.

Then there is the 15" which plays with the base iMac pro... those machines will be incredible.

I honestly cant see the disappointment!

If you wanted a macbook pro, now is the time. Get one quickly so you wont have a 12-18 month wait for the next iteration and get the best bang for buck.

For me I will replace my macbook with an i7 13" Macbook pro and if the imac update with these chips has similar gains then the iMac will probably be within 5% of the current baseline iMac pro for about 25% cheaper. This will replace the mac pro with an i7 or i9 18 iMac.

I have criticised apple heavily since the release of the 16 macbook pro and their lack of real presence in the pro market, it seems like they are answering these criticisms. These updates are using chips released this quarter, not 12 months ago, so will be faster than any other equivalent machine on the market.
 
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It's time for a resolution bump, and a smaller trackpad wouldn't hurt, but that part will never happen.
 
If we're talking about the 13" MBP, that's not true. There's actually not a single product out there which uses Coffee Lake except the MBP. Intel announced a NUC mini desktop using these chips, but it doesn't ship yet. This makes the 13" MacBook Pro one of the most powerful 13" notebooks out there, it should outperform most other ultrabooks of that size easily.

Also, Bluetooth 5.0, the T2 chip, a larger battery, better speakers, a quieter keyboard - this update did far exceed my expectations.

?!Dell Xps 13” has coffee lake for months now. Dunno about others but I’d be amazed if others didn’t also
 
16 GB is still adequate for the vast majority of users. Those who need more do most probably earn money working on the MBP, which makes a 500€ upgrade not even worth thinking about.

Exactly it's a drop in the ocean. The pricing's not comparative to many Windows notebooks, equally on a "working" system that will pay for itself over and over not concern.

Q-6
 
I think that things have got so good that it is not so easy to be impressed.

Most people, for example, don't need faster CPUs or loads of RAM.

The screen on my 2017 MBP is already good. So, I'd probably not be too excited about True Tone.

And so on.
 
It has a Kaby Lake Refresh, just like all the others, not a Coffee Lake.
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Above are 8th gen quad core 13"'s. The XPS got two updates a Kby Lake one and then a Coffe Lake one

[doublepost=1531838689][/doublepost]This 13" HP also has the 8th gen quad core chip:
https://www.xcite.com/hp-envy-core-...ia-13-3-inch-laptop-13-ad102ne-silk-gold.html
 
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Above are 8th gen quad core 13"'s. The XPS got two updates a Kby Lake one and then a Coffe Lake one

[doublepost=1531838689][/doublepost]This 13" HP also has the 8th gen quad core chip:
https://www.xcite.com/hp-envy-core-...ia-13-3-inch-laptop-13-ad102ne-silk-gold.html


They are all kaby lake refresh CPUs with a 15w TDP.
See here:
https://ark.intel.com/products/122589/Intel-Core-i7-8550U-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_00-GHz


Apply is using CPUs with 28W TDP.
See here:
https://ark.intel.com/products/137979/Intel-Core-i7-8559U-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_50-GHz
 
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It has a Kaby Lake Refresh, just like all the others, not a Coffee Lake.


Oh right sorry I got mixed up, I thought 8th gen = coffee lake. Intel and their crayz naming strategies :rolleyes:
 
Oh right sorry I got mixed up, I thought 8th gen = coffee lake. Intel and their crayz naming strategies :rolleyes:

There are like six different codenames in the 8th gen by now, and there are going to be more with Whiskey Lake and friends. Intel seems to have quite a hard time to clean up their product lines recently.
 
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There are like six different codenames in the 8th gen by now, and there are going to be more with Whiskey Lake and friends. Intel seems to have quite a hard time to clean up their product lines recently.

I feel like they do it deliberately to keep everyone confused
 
I'm not disappointed at all because I won't be buying a new Macbook; however, there are others who are disappointed.

What's the old saying? Oh yeah: "You can't please all the people all the time."
 
If I get another MacBook, I don't think it'll be until it has FaceID on it and is a more substantial change.

I'm just not interested in the 2016/2017/2018 industrial design, keyboard, TouchBar "situation".

Maybe I'll go right to the "all ARM MacBook" if it comes, who knows.
The way they are designing things these days, I may be back on Windows in 2 years for all I know...
 
Apple sure can't please everyone nor can anyone. Anyhow I think it's a decent upgrade - something that I haven't seen in a very long time. But like you said, their trend of charging more and more money year after year is really getting under my skin.

Other corporations will follow suit no doubt and in a few years, the prices we're paying right now could be the next 'norm' even though just about every other person is complaining about the ridiculous prices myself included. When we look back at 2018 in 5 years, we could be saying, "Did we pay only that much for our laptops?" It's really a disturbing trend even if we take the annual nominal inflation into consideration.

I remember several years ago when activision increased the price of their cod game by $10 and there was a huge uproar against the decision and people were signing online petitions etc but since then, I think activision jacked up the prices of their cod games once or twice more after that and people didn't complain as much and everyone just accepted the new price as the new 'norm'.
 
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