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Really? Are you sure? I mean really sure? Are you certain that it will be available when Apple decides it should be (as opposed to whom, Samsung?)? Brilliant statement. I mean, the insight you offer is just amazing. You must have the absolute best contacts at Apple.

If you have nothing interesting or insightful to add, please don't type away. You clearly don't like speculating and having fun with the whole "when will be it out". I would suggest you not read these types of threads as I (we) really enjoy speculation; it makes it exciting.

So, moving on...anyone know if there has ever been a Friday beta release?
What interesting or insightful replies could there be as far as purely randomly guessing something (especially since there are multiple threads where the same guesses have already been offered multiple times)?
 
No client is expecting anything to be "delivered". Clearly you have no understanding of how things are "delivered". And if you don't like how things are done in MR then that's your problem.

Clearly? I've been a software engineer for 11 years. Clearly you are correct.

You should take the defensive tone down a bit.
 
I don't think we'll see B4 on Monday either. I mean, they're just starting to get everything back online. Only bug reporter and the iTunes connect are back up so far and it's been a few days. Unless they haul some serious ass this weekend, I don't expect B4 until everything is restored (at least the dev center and beta downloads)
 
I don't think we'll see B4 on Monday either. I mean, they're just starting to get everything back online. Only bug reporter and the iTunes connect are back up so far and it's been a few days. Unless they haul some serious ass this weekend, I don't expect B4 until everything is restored (at least the dev center and beta downloads)
Technically speaking those two services weren't even down, so they really haven't even actually gotten anything back up just yet.
 
I don't think we'll see B4 on Monday either. I mean, they're just starting to get everything back online. Only bug reporter and the iTunes connect are back up so far and it's been a few days. Unless they haul some serious ass this weekend, I don't expect B4 until everything is restored (at least the dev center and beta downloads)

I agree. And we'll end up having fewer betas I believe.
 
Not really.
A forum is as valuable as the topics that it contains. A forum full with pointless topics has no value.

So, if he believes your post is pointless and he likes the forum, he is trying to protect a "public" asset.

And he is right. Your thread is pointless, if not for the content, for sure because it breaks the basic rule of all: search and join similar threads.

Actually I dont think his thread is pointless, and if anyone doesnt like the thread, DONT POST!
 
Clearly? I've been a software engineer for 11 years. Clearly you are correct.

You should take the defensive tone down a bit.

Clearly I am. and clearly you need some business skills buddy
 
Not really.
A forum is as valuable as the topics that it contains. A forum full with pointless topics has no value.

So, if he believes your post is pointless and he likes the forum, he is trying to protect a "public" asset.

And he is right. Your thread is pointless, if not for the content, for sure because it breaks the basic rule of all: search and join similar threads.

If this forum is a "public asset", then the OP has just as much of a right to post this thread as you do to disagree with it. He's not breaking any forum rules with this thread. And yes, he could have searched and joined a similar thread, but I wouldn't exactly call it a terrible offense to not do so. I too think this thread is somewhat pointless, but it's not my place to tell other people what they should and shouldn't do.
 
Apple probably aren't in any rush. Wouldnt be surprised if they skipped beta 4 (i.e. released beta 4 when their internal timetable pegged beta 5) Developers can still develop their apps (as Xcode 5 and beta 3 still work and we have local copies of the documentation). The biggest issue to developers was certificates and provisioning (clearly why apple brought those features back up first)
 
I don't see why it is such a surprise that the beta 3 to beta 4 period is longer than 2 weeks...in the past there have been occasions when betas have fluctuated more or less than the 2 week schedule many users of this forum think is set in stone.
 
I don't see why it is such a surprise that the beta 3 to beta 4 period is longer than 2 weeks...in the past there have been occasions when betas have fluctuated more or less than the 2 week schedule many users of this forum think is set in stone.

Exactly. People are believing that stupid rumor from Twitter saying that Apple is gonna skip beta 4 because everyone thinks betas have to be released every two weeks at 1PM Eastern or else the schedule is screwed up when beta 4 might not have even been scheduled for release until this coming Monday or some other day.
 
I'm tired of people bitching about what people post and ask. If the thread is not of value to you, then leave it alone. Don't post. If you hear people talking about something you don't care about, do you stop them and tell them they are wasting their time talking about it? That's essentially what some are doing.

The reality is... some people are wondering and may not know. More than just the thread starter. A forum is for DISCUSSION. And yes, that includes a group of people discussing a new potential beta release.. umm.. in the iOS 7 section. Is that really so hard to get? Grow up. Stop whining (like I am right now) :)
 
I will laugh so hard if there isn't a new beta tomorrow. I will come on this forum and post 10 topics in a row saying LOL

jk but it will be pretty funny :p
 
I don't think we'll see B4 on Monday either. I mean, they're just starting to get everything back online. Only bug reporter and the iTunes connect are back up so far and it's been a few days. Unless they haul some serious ass this weekend, I don't expect B4 until everything is restored (at least the dev center and beta downloads)

What does this have to do with B4 release? Apple has multiple software dev teams. And the iOS guys aren't the website guys. And beyond that, there are multiple teams of website guys, and multiple teams of iOS guys. There's a whole team and facility over in MA dedicated just to the Siri portion of iOS.
 
I'm tired of people bitching about what people post and ask. If the thread is not of value to you, then leave it alone. Don't post. If you hear people talking about something you don't care about, do you stop them and tell them they are wasting their time talking about it? That's essentially what some are doing.

The reality is... some people are wondering and may not know. More than just the thread starter. A forum is for DISCUSSION. And yes, that includes a group of people discussing a new potential beta release.. umm.. in the iOS 7 section. Is that really so hard to get? Grow up. Stop whining (like I am right now) :)

yeah i was like you... and i complained about people complaining about threads. and then all these people starting one too many ridiculous threads made me change into an *****. thanks for that. i'm sure you want to defend these helpess clueless threadstarters because they're so innocent, but really it gets idiotic at some point.

And i don't even use the forums that often, just for when theres some news i want to find out, or something i want to read about. there are users and developers for whom the forums are actually a productive outlet. and imagine them suddenly getting baraged with topics like "will we get new iOS in 4 days",, "will we get ios in 3 days", will we get ios day after tomorrow".

if these people actually wanted to contribute to a useful discussion, or be part of a proper discussion, they would participate in one of the already established threads. but all they're really doing is someone making up for their lack of patience by starting another feel-good thread. its just empty reinforcement in something they really really want to happen.

anyway, my heart goes out to the software debs and regular forum users. i used to complain about you guys, but i see the point to all the complaining now. it was justified.
 
yeah i was like you... and i complained about people complaining about threads. and then all these people starting one too many ridiculous threads made me change into an *****. thanks for that. i'm sure you want to defend these helpess clueless threadstarters because they're so innocent, but really it gets idiotic at some point.

And i don't even use the forums that often, just for when theres some news i want to find out, or something i want to read about. there are users and developers for whom the forums are actually a productive outlet. and imagine them suddenly getting baraged with topics like "will we get new iOS in 4 days",, "will we get ios in 3 days", will we get ios day after tomorrow".

if these people actually wanted to contribute to a useful discussion, or be part of a proper discussion, they would participate in one of the already established threads. but all they're really doing is someone making up for their lack of patience by starting another feel-good thread. its just empty reinforcement in something they really really want to happen.

anyway, my heart goes out to the software debs and regular forum users. i used to complain about you guys, but i see the point to all the complaining now. it was justified.

Or some people wanted to get an idea if others thought it would be released tomorrow or not. Just a feeler? Personally, I don't care much either way. But if others do, let them. You complaining about it is much more annoying than someone asking if people think a new beta will be released tomorrow. Which, really, is a better question than half the other questions on here.

To each their own. But I posted in this thread because the topic of question INTERESTS me. The ones that don't... I don't post in. Crazy concept, aye?
 
I am basing my judgment on the status page apple put up. I also think that apple put that up knowing we're not gonna get it any time soon. Until then I am stuck using Xcode 5 DP2 for now and I need to install the command line tools and it's not letting me because I believe it has to do with the servers being down. Any helps, tips and opinions are welcome :)
At this point there's probably no one who thinks that: https://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/29/apple-seeds-ios-7-beta-4-to-developers/
 
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