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If Apple continues a roughly annual upgrade cadence and isn’t rumored to put tandem OLED panels into the MBPs until 2026 at the latest then we’d be looking at M6-ish generation for a chassis redesign (maybe M5). I’m holding out for that too. My M1 Pro 14” MBP is still a beast but I do wish it were a touch more svelte.
I’m betting sooner for a Pro re-design as the iPad Pros became thin and a recent report stating that Apple is wanting to make iPhone’s and MacBook’s Pro’s 💻 real thin leads me to believe this is gonna happen real soon. The going back to thin is because the M4 N3E chip is much more power efficient and can take more heat versus the previous M3 N3B generation
 
Ready for a new machine to replace my 15" (2017) Macbook pro i7.
The 14" MBP on sale at $1,699 with M3Pro 18/512 seems to be a great deal - especially compared to 15" Macbook Air with 16GB of Ram? Am I missing something?
 
the only ones who will buy 16-Core M3 Max, 1TB, 48GB Memory - $3,499.00 are people like Youtuber Luke Miani, who have rich parents and buy whatever they like just because they can.
 
Ready for a new machine to replace my 15" (2017) Macbook pro i7.
The 14" MBP on sale at $1,699 with M3Pro 18/512 seems to be a great deal - especially compared to 15" Macbook Air with 16GB of Ram? Am I missing something?
No, it's a great deal and a huge upgrade over that 2017 MBP.
 
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How are they able to lower the price by $500 if the device costs so much due to R&D costing so much? At least that's what people who have never owned a business or understand how a business works said.

Company has more cash on hand than the entire planet yet somehow people think Apple is making only $100 profit per device they sell.
Talk about not understanding how business works. Apple of course makes more than $100 per MBP and I don’t know anyone who’s claimed that before. The price is set to cover their cost of goods sold (COGS) plus their desired profit margin, which is used for things like R&D or marketing but which is not a direct cost in manufacturing the device. They might lower their profit margin for a promo for a number of reasons, most unknown to us, but we can speculate on things like moving inventory in anticipation of M4s, etc.
 
No matter how much Apple wants me to use the cloud, I still need offline access to my files to work on them in secure locations or while on a cruise. As a consultant, I have separate Users for each gig, meaning I need a 2TB drive to hold my work files -- which forces me to buy their top-of-the-line processors even though I don't need them.
 
No matter how much Apple wants me to use the cloud, I still need offline access to my files to work on them in secure locations or while on a cruise. As a consultant, I have separate Users for each gig, meaning I need a 2TB drive to hold my work files -- which forces me to buy their top-of-the-line processors even though I don't need them.
You don't need an M3-Max for that; here is the base 14" MBP with the regular M3 and a 2TB SSD. You can even add 2TB to the MBA.

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It seems like a fair cut out of the huge margin Apple make on these. Cheaper to produce than in the past thanks to a crash in core component costs (RAM, storage, CPU since ditching Intel), but more expensive than before. We're due the next generation now, with specs improving across the board for once, rather than just the standard SoC bump.
 
Yes and this site NEVER mentions the 8GB … it's almost like they're paid extra to omit that part.
Not everything is a conspiracy. ;) But, I agree, it IS annoying! I wouldn't purchase a laptop of any kind with only 8GB RAM. At this point, 16GB RAM seems like it will limit the usability lifespan of the device by a few years.
 
Talk about not understanding how business works. Apple of course makes more than $100 per MBP and I don’t know anyone who’s claimed that before. The price is set to cover their cost of goods sold (COGS) plus their desired profit margin, which is used for things like R&D or marketing but which is not a direct cost in manufacturing the device. They might lower their profit margin for a promo for a number of reasons, most unknown to us, but we can speculate on things like moving inventory in anticipation of M4s, etc.
Thats a lot of "I will try to make this sound super smart even though I don't know what I am saying and I am just repeating what he said by using more words" in that post.

$100 profit is always after COGS and all of the other items in the PnL. You don't have a $100 profit margin if your COGs is more lol. Apple has more money on hand than many countries BECAUSE their profit margin after COGs (PnL) including R&D (obviously hence PnL) is so high.

They are just recycling the same devices for 10 years now, and just adding a faster processor and camera MP. You think the R&D is that expensive on something like that when 90% of the hardware stays the same? Even the software. You think it costs a lot of money to make 10 new emoji and market that during your software keynote? lol.

Heck, half of their products now don't even release until Q1 and Q2 of the following year.
 
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