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Uh, Unwhat! Uncool more like!

What a name. Apalling, absolutely appalling. However I guess it fits with the sick building of the computer world along with its compatible devices that I'm pretty sure don't work as seamlessly as a certain company will have you believe.

Amazon and its partners will not be getting my business regardless.

Apple will have superior integration and no doubt a significantly better looking device. Have you seen the windows compatible devices! Ugly, undesirable, often unworkable and totally uncool. Not once have I considered parting with my cash to get one of these things.

There is another thing to consider aside from the iPod for Apple. People are buying Macs and new users will most likely stick with a device as equally as cool as that shiny iMac or Mac Pro etc. The PC market I believe is hitting the skids. Lets not forget the people who are most likley to download movies, the very people who have purchased iPods.

As for the rental side of things, could be a good idea for Apple to incorporate but I would not part with more than £2.50 for a rental.

Finally, the 30 studios that have signed up to the Amazon store have not really considered the target audience, they've gone simply for a price plan that earns them more. Big mistake. How many of the target audience are at a University Campus or college with there new Mac Book/Pro and iPods. Quite a few I suspect given the iPod sales. These guy's and gal's are most likely to downloading films. Do you think they would associate themselves with a service which blatantly supports the Windows platform. You're damn right they won't. Macs are cool and hip along with their associated devices. There is nothing stuffy nor pretentious about Macs just pure sealess fun. Windows (uncool, very uncool) and its associated partners (even uncooler) have never been considered in this light and never will be. People generally want to always be cool and have cool things.

I appreciate that there are more Windows PC's out there however by large most of those are in offices not homes. So as Mac sales increase those home owners are going to be less likely to access a service that is exclusively windows supported. I know I know, you can boot windows on new Macs, but here's the thing. A few people I know who have bought new Macs want to get away from the windows platform altogether. For now its a comfort zone to still be able to use windows but only until they are fully confident in OSX!

I appreciate that I could be wrong on this, but my gut along with the facts tell me that this whole thing will work out for Apple sooner or later (I hope alot sooner than later).

Appreciate feedback negative or positive.

Best wishes.
 
You know Im starting to get sick of this. I hate it when all these PC companies complain about being locked out the iTunes Universe but then they go around and LOCK MAC users out of thier servies. Well, I wanted to get office space from amazon, but I guess them and thier Windows only universe don't need me and my money. I ought to sue them for and other Movie/music services for not providing support for the mac model
 
Anybody offering media content and not making it ipod playable are destined for retarded failure and its well deserved. How can you isolate the largest media player market?
 
technicolor said:
Anybody offering media content and not making it ipod playable are destined for retarded failure and its well deserved. How can you isolate the largest media player market?
Of course it is likely that Amazon tried to license FairPlay, etc. from Apple so they could support iPods but I bet Apple turned them down.

I don't blame Apple for playing that cards it finds itself with.
 
If your device is Plays for Sure compliant it may work

I love that little tidbit from their support section... in other words "Play for Sure Maybe"

...and I wonder when and if they will gain Zune support (since Zune is reported to not be compatible with Play for Sure).
 
jettredmont said:
As a parent, I have to say that the DVD menu model is a pain in the rear. What I want is to be able to tell the device to play a movie (either by inserting a disk or by double-clicking a file, whatever), and just have the movie play, perhaps then with an option of tweaking the specifics.

When I put a DVD in, 9/10 times it is to watch the movie. Out of those 9 times, 1-2 times I will then want to look at the special features (does anyone, ever, want to watch the special features before the movie itself?), about 6 times it's a kid movie and I just want to leave the room before being attacked by the Kid Movie Cooties, and the other 2-3 times the movie wasn't good enough to want to hear more about it in the special features. The other 1 of ten times, it's a DVD I've already put in and watched before, and I either want to watch it again or look at the special features or jump to that one scene.

Instead of meeting my needs 90% of the time and causing an extra button push 10% of the time, I get stuck watching FBI warnings and previews, then some goofy menu animation for 25 seconds, then have to hit 'play' or 'enter' again or it just sits there staring at the kids like a retarded monkey.

To me, the DVD "experience" is far from ideal. But, that having been said, I'd love to see the extras kept!

Exactly what I was talking about in the second part of my message. One of our kid's DVDs has 5 previews that you can't even skip! You have to fast forward through them. Pure evil.
 
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technicolor said:
Anybody offering media content and not making it ipod playable are destined for retarded failure and its well deserved. How can you isolate the largest media player market?
Easy, when Apple refuses to allow others to use their encryption technology that would be a requirement of most content providers such as Sony. The flip side of course is that Apple hasn't licensed the Microsoft DRM technology and placed it on iPods. Blame Apple first!

As for the whole BS on this thread that this Amazon service will fail due to lack of iPod support. I really have to wonder how many iPod owners want to watch full length movies or TV shows on their tiny iPod screen. I'd consider it once in a while, but certainly wouldn't make it habit. Certainly I wouldn't miss the feature.
 
Edit: The movie finally turned up in my "My Downloads" section at Amazon. It took a little less than 24 hours for me to start downloading it. Amazon's system is by no means user friendly IMHO.

Well, I decided to rent something from Amazon since they have $1.99 free trial toward the purchase of anything. I opted to rent "Best of Show" as my girlfriend said it is good for $2.99, so I had to pay the balance of $1.00. I started trying to do this at 7:41 PM EST and still haven't gotten it to start downloading at 8:30. Amazon's method is very non-intuitive and convoluted in my opinion.

First, you go to the unboxed store and find something to rent just like buying anything from Amazon. Once I did that it said that I needed to download the Unbox Media player. It took me about 10 minutes to install that because the .Net framework it requires kept bugging out. Finally, I get the player installed and there still is no movie downloading. I went back to Unbox.com and found out that you have to manually tell them to send the media from Amazon to the media player. The catch is, I accidentally closed the tab that had my original purchase so I can't tell it to send the file from there anymore. Since I can't manually send the file to the player anymore, I have to wait for to appear in my media library. So now it is 8:30, I haven't started my download and it says that I may have to wait between 1 and 24 hours for it to appear. To add insult to injury, my Amazon account now says, "We're sorry, but we encountered an error when processing your request. Please try again." when I try to log in. If this is the way it is going to be, I don't think Apple has anything to worry about! It is completely stupid to have to tell them to transmit the file to your player. This is not anywhere on the same playing field as Apple's solution will be. I don't really care if it takes until tommorow to download a film but it shouldn't be this hard to get the process started.
 
seamuskrat said:
Hello from Amazon.com.

Unfortunately, Apple Computer Inc. has exclusive rights to the
hardware and software that would make it possible for Amazon.com to
provide Amazon Unbox for these devices. Because of these
restrictions, we are unable to make Amazon Unbox compatible with
these products. We are not aware of the specific reasons, behind
this decision, be they legal or monetary.

This is, unfortunately, ANOTHER reason why movie downloads won't work. If the price is the same, the convenience factor is absent (takes HOURS to download yet minutes to go to the rental store or moments to open the Netflix sleeve!), overly restrictive and limits where/how I choose to watch my movie, then it means I won't be participating in the digital movie revolution. The fact that system incompatibility is also an issue is just the nail in the coffin!

Now, I'm going to sit back and wait 2-3 years so I can look at this post and laugh at how wrong it is, just like all those iPod posts from years past! :rolleyes:
 
p0intblank said:
Wow, great pricing for great quality! I really didn't expect movies to sell/rent for that cheap.

But it's Windows only? Ah, that's okay. We know Apple is next. :)

I still rated this Positive, only because the pricing is surprisingly good.

Your joking, right?

Some quick comparisons...

--------------------------- UnBox Price -------- Amazon DVD Price
The Matrix ----------------- $9.88 -------------- $9.88
Rumor Has It ------------- $19.62 ------------- $15.99
Brokeback Mountain ----- $13.99 ------------- $14.99
Failure to Launch --------- $14.87 ------------- $16.87

And in each case you can get the movie NEW from the Amazon Market Place for even less. How could this be considered good pricing when it is about the same price as buying the physical DVD? It's this notion that pure digital content is worth just as much as physical media that has kept me from spending much money for any downloadable content (except software...). :rolleyes:
 
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my post from another thread...

The reality of having Amazon show what's under it's skirt makes me think that the following is even more true... I also think that since apple makes itunes work for both windows and mac platforms, the movie service will be bi-platform too. Another idea... the gizmo described below MAY allow the download go directly to dvd burner? instead of hard drive? Just guesses...

My prediction FWIW: What will not happen on the 12th: We will not see Jobs stand up in front of the crowd and make go on and on about a new fantastic movie download service. There is no need to do that. Movies on iTunes store is not revolutionary, unless they have developed some way to undo the laws of physics. We won't see Jobs demonstrating how easy it is to download movies, because it will take hours. Movies on iTunes is merely an incremental improvement. Could be done with a simple announcement. Everyone knows it is coming anyway.

THe 12th, I think, is all about hardware. It will be about an integrated system of hardware to manage and play music, movies, data, email. It will be about either a video iPod or the iPod cell (with video). This is the media center mac introduction. I also think that it may look like the g4 cube, roughly. Did you notice that the new flagship store is a cube? Those are my predictions. I am preparing the condiments to be ready to eat crow...
 
Snowy_River said:
And in each case you can get the movie NEW from the Amazon Market Place for even less. How could this be considered good pricing when it is about the same price as buying the physical DVD?
I don't disagree w/you, but don't forget that for a Marketplace order you'll need to add shipping & handling... You can definitely beat the prices if you buy used even with s/h.

B
 
Snowy_River said:
Your joking, right?

Some quick comparisons...

--------------------------- UnBox Price -------- Amazon DVD Price
The Matrix ----------------- $9.88 -------------- $9.88
Rumor Has It ------------- $19.62 ------------- $15.99
Brokeback Mountain ----- $13.99 ------------- $14.99
Failure to Launch --------- $14.87 ------------- $16.87

And in each case you can get the movie NEW from the Amazon Market Place for even less. How could this be considered good pricing when it is about the same price as buying the physical DVD? It's this notion that pure digital content is worth just as much as physical media that has kept me from spending much money for any downloadable content (except software...). :rolleyes:


Buying these movies isn't where its at. Renting is the future for this form of content delivery. $2.99-$3.99 isn't too bad to rent if you have the bandwidth to get it there fast. H.264 will automatically make the Apple movie store better in this respect. The only problem is that, as I said earlier, the Amazon store is a non-intuitive mess. I clicked the link to buy a movie over an hour ago now and still haven't been able to start the download. It could take up to 24 hours at this point just to start it!
 
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ddrueckhammer said:
It could take up to 24 hours at this point just to start it!
Since the rental expires 24 hours after you start watching it :(, I hope it doesn't take 24 hours.... to fix such problems...

B
 
Unbox?

Correlation anyone? Unbox, amazon. Umm,

Amazon _______ (animal associated with amazon)

Who made that decision? They could have called it ANYTHING. Like, I understand Zune, easy one syllable word with no real meaning and a Z because kids think Z and the color green are cool. Its lose, but I get it. But Unpackage?

Are they getting at the fact that movies come without packaging?

Amazon Nopackage.

Do people think anymore. Before Apple, ipod could have meant anything, now it has its own identity. Zune can be considered the same way. Sansa as well. But when I hear Unbox, its a verb, that implies work to be done. Am I moving? Should I starting disassembling something? I want Amazon NoUnboxing.

Someone should start "Amazon Boxing" where their marketing team gets in a ring and goes out after 1 round for a terrible word association.
 
balamw said:
Since the rental expires 24 hours after you start watching it :(, I hope it doesn't take 24 hours.... to fix such problems...

B

Well I haven't been able to start downloading it yet. I just checked my media library on Amazon and it still isn't there. I guess I will give it until tommorow night and then complain. One thing is for sure. I have never had anywhere close to these problems just downloading a file from iTunes...

miketcool said:
Someone should start "Amazon Boxing" where their marketing team gets in a ring and goes out after 1 round for a terrible word association.

After trying to purchase my first movie from the service, I feel like I have been a couple of rounds at "Amazon Boxing" lol. I'm sure glad I only spent a dollar on this.
 
Did someone posted that the download was 2.2 gig?
If that is true and is dvd quality then HD would be something like what? 8 or 16 Gigs? How many of those can you keep in a laptop or desktop?
:eek:
 
Snowy_River said:
--------------------------- UnBox Price -------- Amazon DVD Price
The Matrix ----------------- $9.88 -------------- $9.88
Rumor Has It ------------- $19.62 ------------- $15.99
Brokeback Mountain ----- $13.99 ------------- $14.99
Failure to Launch --------- $14.87 ------------- $16.87

:rolleyes:

umm are those digital bits, new, previously viewed or refurbished? LOL:eek:
 
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EagerDragon said:
Did someone posted that the download was 2.2 gig?
If that is true and is dvd quality then HD would be something like what? 8 or 16 Gigs? How many of those can you keep in a laptop or desktop?
:eek:

Well I have 910 Gb (3 250 Gig Externals and 1 160 Gig one) of space so I could fit 56 at 16 gigs a piece. Video is the reason for having large hard drives. It would be nice if you could just store them online somewhere though...I guess that is what rentals are for...
 
ddrueckhammer said:
Well I have 910 Gb (3 250 Gig Externals and 1 160 Gig one) of space so I could fit 56 at 16 gigs a piece. Video is the reason for having large hard drives. It would be nice if you could just store them online somewhere though...I guess that is what rentals are for...
"large hard drives" :eek:

250 is solidly "medium" these days, but 160 is "small" (unless it's a laptop)
 
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