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Apple's HomePod is a good example of confused identity.
It most certainly isn’t.

Some said it's a speaker first, but you can't connect to it via Bluetooth nor with an aux. You also can't tweak the EQ settings, and you have to trust Apple's tunings. Certain "audiophiles" said this is the best sounding speaker ever for its price range, but it seems they also thought BOSE sounded great too.
the entire raison d’etre of the HomePod is a speaker smart assistant meant to play your Apple Music and anything from your smartphone.

you don’t need Bluetooth to connect to the HomePod as long g as the HomePod is connected to WiFi. You can stream via airplay or you can be totally off network. Much more flexibility than Bluetooth.

Then others have said it's a smart speaker with privacy focus, then Apple got caught with contractors listening to recordings.
A lot of this is like the three blind men describing an elephant. Without prejudice to anybody or pachyderms. It’s the same argument with any smart speaker. But you are conflating things, again. Apple clearly has a privacy focus on Siri. But you are conflating that with that entire non-issue if who gets to “make Siri” better.

I still feel that if Apple prices this much lower AND removes Siri is less dependent on the Apple ecosystem, people like me would buy it. If not, then it will continue to be what it is today.
Apple probably won’t do that, but that’s a guess. They should however reduce the price for $200 this is an amazing speaker.
 
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If Apple ready decides this is a market they want, I would not rule them out quite yet. The question is, how important is it to Apple? Speakers, probably not. Siri interface? Probably yes.

That's not for me. I don't need or want a smart speaker.

I do want a great sounding speaker that autonomously (meaning no phone/tablet/computer is needed) plays music from a deep library (Apple Music, for example), and takes commands through my voice from a reasonable distance, say up to 20 feet.

HomePod meets my requirements perfectly.
 
I really wish they'd differentiate between voice-assistant smart speakers (e.g., Amazon Echo, Apple HomePod) and app-enabled smart speakers (e.g., Sonos Play:5, any AirPlay-compatible speaker).

I have no interest in the former, and lots of interest in the latter.
 
So I'm seeing lots of comments saying things like "Just get an Echo Dot if all you want is a cheap smart speaker" or "No serious audiophile would buy a HomePod, they'll have their own custom setup"

I fall somewhere in the middle, personally. I do need some kind of a smart speaker because I have a lot of smart home accessories to control, and I do consider myself at least an appreciator of fine audio quality. Add to that the fact I'm already deeply engrained in Apple's ecosystem, and the HomePod quickly starts to look like the perfect solution. Whether it actually is or not, I'm not sure. But I've had mine now about a year and a half and I haven't regretted buying it even once.

Also, the microphone array they put in this thing is AMAZING! Siri can hear me regardless of the ambient volume in the room, or even if I'm not in that room at all. It's crazy.
 
It most certainly isn’t.


the entire raison d’etre of the HomePod is a speaker smart assistant meant to play your Apple Music and anything from your smartphone.

you don’t need Bluetooth to connect to the HomePod as long g as the HomePod is connected to WiFi. You can stream via airplay or you can be totally off network. Much more flexibility than Bluetooth.


A lot of this is like the three blind men describing an elephant. Without prejudice to anybody or pachyderms. It’s the same argument with any smart speaker. But you are conflating things, again. Apple clearly has a privacy focus on Siri. But you are conflating that with that entire non-issue if who gets to “make Siri” better.


Apple probably won’t do that, but that’s a guess. They should however reduce the price for $200 this is an amazing speaker.
So you’re saying it’s a speaker that Apple has made to play just Apple Music and stuff from your phone ... but not a tv, or a game console, etc.
 
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69.7% of the U.S. market, eh? Any guess as to how many of those are the cheapest Dots you can buy? 90%?
Exactly this. I am betting average selling price of smart speakers is far closer to Dots and Google Home Mini, especially since many are often given away or at an attractive bundle deal.

If Apple cares about this market, it would be wise to make a similar product. As much as I like my pair of HomePods, most people don't care about audio quality.
 
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Also, the microphone array they put in this thing is AMAZING! Siri can hear me regardless of the ambient volume in the room, or even if I'm not in that room at all. It's crazy.

That's one of its best features. As is the speaker array that can automatically equalize a room's acoustics.
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So you’re saying it’s a speaker that Apple has made to play just Apple Music and stuff from your phone ... but not a tv, or a game console, etc.

It's a great sounding AirPlay speaker. And can also autonomously play Apple Music via voice commands.
 
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Siri is frustrating. Especially when you have to request a specific song 4 times before she plays the right one.
 
Apple's HomePod is a good example of confused identity.

Some said it's a speaker first, but you can't connect to it via Bluetooth nor with an aux. You also can't tweak the EQ settings, and you have to trust Apple's tunings. Certain "audiophiles" said this is the best sounding speaker ever for its price range, but it seems they also thought BOSE sounded great too.

Then others have said it's a smart speaker with privacy focus, then Apple got caught with contractors listening to recordings.

I still feel that if Apple prices this much lower AND removes Siri AND is less dependent on the Apple ecosystem, people like me would buy it. If not, then it will continue to be what it is today.

The HomePod seems pretty straightforward to me. It’s basically a smart speaker for consumers who are already using an iPhone and subscribed to Apple Music. Its role is to provide the best Apple experience for users already invested in the Apple ecosystem (since no other smart speaker used Siri, and even the echo didn’t support Apple Music until recently, and it’s still an extra step), while serving to further entrench them in the Apple ecosystem.

As with everything Apple does, you cannot just evaluate each item in a vacuum without also considering the role it plays within the larger ecosystem.

That said, I am still not convinced that the smart speaker market is something that Apple needs to compete in. When you think about it, nearly every other task or role given to a stationary smart speaker could also be given to an Apple Watch. The wrist ends up being a better solution given the presence of a screen. The Apple Watch also has greater mobility than even smartphones and tablets as it is literally strapped to our wrist at all times, compared to smart speakers which tend to be confined to a single room and thus require you to purchase multiples of them to place in every room.

IMO, the smart speaker market is a mirage. Companies like amazon are pushing smart speakers and voice computing like no tomorrow for no other reason that they have virtually no smartphone presence. Apple has won the smartphone wars, and as such does not need to do the same thing that amazon has done.

And critics continue to make the age-old mistake of homing in on an industry, then comparing it to what Apple is (or isn’t) doing, because then they are not allowing Apple’s unique strengths and traits to speak for themselves. Rather than starting first with Apple, then looking outwards.
 
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The reason is pretty simple: Alexa tends to be more useful. I have Siri on my phone and the vast majority of inquiries result in the equivalent of "Let me g00gle that for you." She doesn't even read wikipedia entries aloud.
For fun: try asking both Alexa and Siri what skunks eat. You'll get an amusing and yet wildly different response.
 
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I wish I could use Siri, but I can't. Alexa is really just better©. The most frustrating thing is that Siri won't read content to you; it'll forward you to a web page. I mean crap, if I wanted to read a web page I'd have searched for it on my phone.

Does Siri work better on a HomePod? On the phone it's just really bad.

Not needing or wanting a so-called smart speaker, I only use Siri for queueing up music.

And that's either from my iPhone (to car radio via Bluetooth) while driving, or commanding my HomePod at home listening to Apple Music. In both situations Siri works very well - I experience no difference between uses.
 
Amazon will always be on top because it taps into the most behemoth shopping platform in history. Those who believe this is a competition should stop kidding themselves. It’s Amazon first and everyone else fighting for table scraps.

And yet, and yet, and yet... Amazon drops a percent or two, the rest grow a percent or two...
 
In fairness, Apple isn't trying very hard. HomePod seems like a dead product so far...

Not dead at all. Just a different strategy. Apple is playing the long game.

Google and Amazon have already released several smart speakers at different price points. Consumers have lots of choice just looking at these two companies. Look at Apple and they can choose between two colours, that's it. Apple needs to release HomePod hardware updates more frequently, and offer an "entry" option. They are focused on the high end because they know the market already has plenty of choices. No point competing at every price point "just because".
 
Not dead at all. Just a different strategy. Apple is playing the long game.

Google and Amazon have already released several smart speakers at different price points. Consumers have lots of choice just looking at these two companies. Look at Apple and they can choose between two colours, that's it. Apple needs to release HomePod hardware updates more frequently, and offer an "entry" option. They are focused on the high end because they know the market already has plenty of choices. No point competing at every price point "just because".
I'll believe it when I see it, but for now, it's not an actual competitor to anything on the market and Apple is past due to update it
 
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Surprise: people like cheap products. And 99% of people don’t give a crap about sound quality as well, so there’s your differentiation gone.
 
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For fun: try asking both Alexa and Siri what skunks eat. You'll get an amusing and yet wildly different response.
So I took your bait and asked Siri (sorry, we don’t do Alexa or Google). Got the following response:
“According to FWS.gov skunks are true omnivores, eating everything: rodents, eggs, carrion, insects, grubs, berries, plants, fish, just about anything that is or was once living, including some things even vultures give careful consideration to first. For more information say, ‘Open this on iPhone.’”

Problem? Not sure I need more than that on the fly about skunk diet.
 
iPod, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AirPods and MacBooks are there to remind that good Apple products are purchased even when they seem to be more expensive than the average market price.
Homepod ... simply does not do it, despite the dazzling narrative that someone tries to create.
 
The HomePod seems pretty straightforward to me. It’s basically a smart speaker for consumers who are already using an iPhone and subscribed to Apple Music. Its role is to provide the best Apple experience for users already invested in the Apple ecosystem (since no other smart speaker used Siri, and even the echo didn’t support Apple Music until recently, and it’s still an extra step), while serving to further entrench them in the Apple ecosystem.

It may be straight forward, but the fact still remains that the HomePod is a limited use device that requires a very strict set of requirements to be useful. If you want a very good speaker, only subscribe to AppleMusic, don't care too much about Home automation (or only buy HomeKit), and are willing to pay more than the completion, then maybe the HomePod is right for you. But, if you subscribe to any other music service, want to connect to devices other than an Apple device (i.e. a TV, Roku, or (heavens!) an Android phone), the HomePod won't work.

Or maybe music is NOT the primary function you are looking for in the smart speaker. People keep posting how the "$30 dots" are the reason for Amazon's market share. So, what if they are right? Maybe most people want the "smart" part of Smart Speaker and not the "Speaker". Too many people seem to assume that their needs match the general public.

As with everything Apple does, you cannot just evaluate each item in a vacuum without also considering the role it plays within the larger ecosystem.
Sure you can, because the success or failure of a device is about how while it works within a customer's life. The HomePod is not a device designed to drive other sales. It is not the razor that drives blade sales. Unlike the AirPods or even AppleWatch, which both enhance the iPhone experience, the HomePod is essentially a standalone device (that just happens to need an iPhone to setup.) But, it doesn't have seem to have enough to appear to a mass market.

That said, I am still not convinced that the smart speaker market is something that Apple needs to compete in. When you think about it, nearly every other task or role given to a stationary smart speaker could also be given to an Apple Watch. The wrist ends up being a better solution given the presence of a screen. The Apple Watch also has greater mobility than even smartphones and tablets as it is literally strapped to our wrist at all times, compared to smart speakers which tend to be confined to a single room and thus require you to purchase multiples of them to place in every room.
I agree with you that the Smart Speaker is probably not the right place for Apple, because, as many have stated, Apple has little to no interest in competing at the low end of the market. But, most people don't see the value in a $300 smart speaker. Multiple that by 3 - 5 devices to cover a "Smart" house and it is expensive. Most people don't need a high quality speaker in every room in the house. A Echo Dot (or even a slightly better Echo) is more than adequate.

I would disagree that the watch is a good substitute. It is a very personal device? How can my wife turn the lights on in the bedroom with my watch? Doesn't work. The watch may be fine for a single person, but multi-person households want/need a device in the room.

IMO, the smart speaker market is a mirage. Companies like amazon are pushing smart speakers and voice computing like no tomorrow for no other reason that they have virtually no smartphone presence. Apple has won the smartphone wars, and as such does not need to do the same thing that amazon has done.
So you are criticizing Amazon for trying to get in a different market when they failed to compete against Apple? Talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't. What should Amazon do, close the doors and give all the money to the stockholders? You may call it a mirage, but based on what? You don't see a need? I am guessing that Amazon & Google have a much better understanding of the value of the market considering they are continuously expanding their reach. (Even it they probably over extend at time, Toaster with Alexa, yea that is a hard pass for me too.)
This is a halo market for Amazon, they are expecting users to buy "works with Alexa" devices. And, yes, they are using the data they get to build better AI.

And critics continue to make the age-old mistake of homing in on an industry, then comparing it to what Apple is (or isn’t) doing, because then they are not allowing Apple’s unique strengths and traits to speak for themselves. Rather than starting first with Apple, then looking outwards.
Of course people are going to compare other companies against Apple, that is what you get when you are largest (or 2nd largest depending on what Microsoft stock closed at today) company in the US. I don't get why people get so bent out of shape when others criticize Apple (or even express an option that Apple is not the best option for some things.) At some point there will be the "Next Big Thing". Let's be real, the last "game changer" really was the iPhone. Who knows what the next game changer will be? Smart speakers, probably not. But, when new industries, do come in to play, it is fair to ask is this something that Apple is looking at. Because, when the "Next Big Thing" happens, someone is going to become the next Apple, even if it is Apple.
 
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