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Since when does the New York Times fit in your pocket? :rolleyes:

Since when does it have to?

When I go on longer trips I have enough reading material in my bag, which I will carry with me either way.

On a short trip on the subway or so, I am very happy to use that ancient device called hand to hold a magazine or newspaper. It has worked efficiently for mankind for eons.

I have never ever heard anyone on a plane say: "geesh, I'm reading this one book right now, but if only I had that other book with me. I could read it instead and pick up reading this one book later"
 
Wow! This ought to draw the anger of Kindle 2 customers. Didn't they just release the Kindle2 3 or 4 months ago? Companies usually release the high end models first and the lower end later. The people who bought the high end product are happy they still have the better product. But releasing a better Kindle so soon after so many people plunked down $350? Wow!

FWIW, the two sort of form an ecosystem. The Kindle2 remains on the market at the same price as it was before this announcement. So it isn't quite like they came out with a successor that obsoleted the Kindle2 in a few months.

I would guess that users who really want the large format would be miffed, but I personally (who just got a Kindle2 one month ago) am not much at all -- I wouldn't prefer the DX, because I wanted it to read books and I prefer the smaller size of the Kindle2.
 
As nice as it is I still don't get the newspaper aspect. Why would you want to pay bloated newspaper subscription fees for outdated news when you can go online and get the same content free and updated to the minute?
-PN

I can imagine a lot of commuters using this to read the paper in the morning. In the NYC metro area its not unusual for many people to take the train to work and be on it for at least an hour each way. If I had that commute I'd consider getting a Kindle. It would be great to never have to fumble for spare change at the newstand, or find out that they ran out of copies of the WSJ. And if I get tired of the day's paper, I could always buy a book on Kindle.
 
FWIW, the two sort of form an ecosystem. The Kindle2 remains on the market at the same price as it was before this announcement. So it isn't quite like they came out with a successor that obsoleted the Kindle2 in a few months.

I would guess that users who really want the large format would be miffed, but I personally (who just got a Kindle2 one month ago) am not much at all -- I wouldn't prefer the DX, because I wanted it to read books and I prefer the smaller size of the Kindle2.
I don't really see them as a high-end vs. low-end kind of thing either. Just like I don't consider a 17" MacBook Pro high-end and a (theoretical) 12" MacBook Pro, or 15" low-end. They serve different purposes and have tradeoffs (screen size and larger battery vs. size and weight). I assume Amazon will update the software of the small Kindle to natively display PDFs? If not that'd be a little lame and would create more of a difference.
 
I assume Amazon will update the software of the small Kindle to natively display PDFs?

So far, this seems to not be in the cards -- their statements make it seem as if they're pitching the idea that the larger Kindle screen allowed for effective PDF viewing without reflowing, and so they decided to add the feature.
 
MacBook Air / Reader hyrbrid

Instead of a Kindle DX, I want a MacBook Air with a swivel hinge that folds it into a power saving grayscale reader. Sold! That would be sweet.
 
I agree with everything you say about a device that would function like this. Unfortunately the kindle can not handle this workload. The no color is a deal breaker right off the bat. The price per textbook is still to high, no matter how you break it down. Textbooks on college campuses are out of control currently. But you have to understand that in the current system most students are simply "renting" the textbooks. I just asked one of my students how much books are for the semester. She payed $420 for the semester and she will sell them for $250-300. She is out over the long term $200-250. Those same books (some are not available) using the kindle would cost her $500 and she owns them but she will never use them again. What do you think she is going to do. I would love to get rid of paper books and newspapers but this device can not do that yet. A device further down the road maybe will have all the functions you mentioned.


As far as the Kindle is concerned, it's a step in the right direction e-ink, but otherwise it fails. It came too late in the game for newspapers, blogs and magazines. Carrying a Kindle is not convenient because it doesn't fit in my pocket and if I'm not on the move, I'll use a computer to get this information.

Actually you are missing something groundlessnfree, with Kindle you have the potential to expand market share for magazines & newspapers, at least the more respected ones. The content is delivered direct to the device via 3G, so for a person who travels alot, or who lives outside the normal areas of the NYT delivery the Kindle option is ideal, go to any major city, wake up in the morning and there is the NYT waiting for you, latest edition of say Wired is out and there it is, don't need to be home, don't need to wait, don't need to power up your laptop, don't need to deal with tiny text on your iPhone etc etc.

For once the publications can actually benefit from this, you aren't geographically tied to a physical newspaper. I won't in any way say that the newspaper is saved by any stretch as that market seems to be needing more shakeout anyway, but cost wise the reduction in paper publication & transport could be quite beneficial to a newspaper like the NY Times. (Let alone the potential for offering overseas subscriptions at some point for expats)

Obviously this isn't an instant mass market, but they are definately steps in the right direction. I think we would need an online "vault" of some description that allows your book purchases/licences to be saved and restored on a replacement device (without necessarily needing a computer) and add to that a way in which you can sell/trade your e-titles such that the license/content is removed and transferred to the new owner.

Ultimately like all new technology this is very much new, relative to the existing medium, and it isn't perfect, but if we don't push down this path it would be like the first automakers getting laughed into oblivion because they could never replace the horse & cart with that thing on 4 wheels. The Kindle & other devices may not catch on in full for 5-10 years as such a radical change does require time, but there are both economic and environmental long term benefits from such changes.

One being the publisher can also be the seller of the ebook and can skip over the middle man (Borders, B&N, campus book stores) and price accordingly. There is no issue with book demand not reflecting supply, we have 50 copies of the book you want at the store 30 miles away but none here. Just go online where there is always an ecopy in stock 24*7.

Also you don't have to worry about edition X having 100,000 copies in stock across the book stores when exition Y is being released in a few weeks. Let alone the benefits of providing updated editions to correct publishing errors.

How much money is wasted printing a title to exist on a shelf in a store somewhere just so it has a small probability of selling? Which is then replaced by a new edition which again just sits on a shelf... just in case.

Regarding international release, not sure if Amazon can get the same sort of deals as they have with Sprint regarding free 3G access, that might be a sticking point for some countries, but with such limited ability in being a pc replacement they can probably at worst come up with a deal where you pay $1 or 2 per month or maybe it can be free/discounted if you have an exisiting subscription to the wireless carrier.

As to overall success, probably the biggest obstacle to overcome is standards, if Sony & Amazon agreed to follow the same standards where the publishers do not need to release device specific versions of the titles then they can go a lot further. How many applications have existed on Windows but the companies couldn't/wouldn't justify a version for the Mac? Go beyond the infighting, agree on a standardized format and the market can progress a lot more quickly.

As to the student market, I am sure they can develop (if it isnt already in existance) a way to add notation to text in the books, you have a keyboard which already helps, though adding complex equations might not be so easy, but not taking should not stretch the bounds of reality too much.
 
Ambient lighting and the refraction of direct lighting mixed together hasn't been duplicated to the human eye. It's close, but not complete. It's hard to duplicate inside a small container when the human being isn't inside that container to be enveloped by the light source.

When they come up with an OLED book of pages [say three hundred equal paper weight thick] pages that are flexible OLED sheets, with it's embedded ICs whose external surface has the tactile touch of a book and capable of refreshing [at page 300 you touch a refresh and go back to sheet 1, now page 301, repeat until the end of War in Peace, et al] as the book moves along and holds hundreds of GBs in the spine [the core shell that houses the SSD, CPU, GPU, etc] before needing a new reader list, while being capable of being used for at least a few decades, then I'll continue to love my books.

Realistically, that will happen perhaps when space travel is routine. We will continue to replace hard shell Kindles with incremental upgrades and take decades to reach the notion of duplicating an actual book.

I'd be happy for 30" Flexible OLED displays that I can throw up on backdrops hanging off my wall that doesn't require a custom housing and just works. I'll probably have to wait a decade or so for that one to happen.

Have you seen CAPRICA? lol:D Sounds good to me but when and how affordable is what I wanna know.
 
When, if I understood the plotline correctly, would have been 150,000 years ago on the other side of the galaxy, when the human side of your ancestry developed the technology. ;)

So your saying we need a time machine to get a badass kindle ? :D
 
I didn't say that, I said Amazon is testing the waters before spreading lemon juice to the rest of its financial statements...failure factors for the Kindle, and MAJOR differences to any BS comparison you guys have been making with Macs and iPods:

- EXTREMELY limited use;
- monochromatic screen and no possible choice of other paper tones;
- ABSOLUTELY overpriced for its limited scope;
- BULKY.

The Kindle IS DEAD.

'bulky'?

Seriously? Have you ever used one of the things? It's the width and length of a book and like 1/3 of an inch thin. It's freaking tiny.

And two of your three other points are technological issues that not even Apple would be able to get around. Color e-ink is still in the experimental stages. It doesn't exist in consumer products. E-ink BY NATURE cannot produce 'other paper tones'.

Seriously, do your homework before you spout crap.
 
The iPod Touch is more high tech, had more R&D and is certainly not cheaper to make in the same volumes as the Kindle. A 9.7 inch ipod would probably also cost $499 but that would be more bang for the buck and way cooler. :)

Where do you people come from? The 6" Kindle 2 costs more than an iPhone 3G, and thus than an iPod touch, in components alone.
 
I think people are underestimating eInk and trivializing the screen challenges. eInk isn't just some neighborhood screen you slap on a device. It's specialized to display text, and it's expensive. Color eInk hasn't been shown by anyone except in prototypes. I have a feeling has issues. But in any case the focus of the Kindle is books, which are mostly in BW.
And people want a touch screen on top of that, which there's no way that eInk would keep up with.

Could Apple make a better device? Probably, but not amazingly better if they also used eInk. I'd love a tablet from Apple but I don't think they could make an iPhone like with eInk as the technology stands right now.

eInk is both it's strongest point and it's curse.
 
I have the Kindle 2 and love it.

The price for the DX isn't a lot considering a simple college textbook costs over $150 easily.

This is perfect for college students. Save $ in the long run, especially once the cost comes down.

Now to convince editors to publish their cash cow books in e-format for students. Good luck with that.
 
needs to be $99.

and not break when you drop it.

These devices are the future, still not there yet, though.

Can I say this again: absolutely over-priced for the kit you get.

I love my 16 GB iPod Touch!

I 'blogged-outside-the-box' about both of these devices................
 
I have the Kindle 2 and love it.

The price for the DX isn't a lot considering a simple college textbook costs over $150 easily.

This is perfect for college students. Save $ in the long run, especially once the cost comes down.

Now to convince editors to publish their cash cow books in e-format for students. Good luck with that.

I know this was almost a decade ago, but I never spent more than $90 on a textbook, and that was for a ginormous calculus book. I'm sure prices have gone up, but $150? Show me.

This is the ONLY chance this device has. The problem is you can get a halfway decent Windows or Linux notebook for the same price. You can do way more on a notebook for the same price, which makes the Kindle DX a luxury purchase.

I don't get the orgy over Amazon's Kindle line. It's too expensive for a one-dimensional product. You can already read newspapers online for free, so who the F is going to put down a subscription price for the same content? I work for one, and I wouldn't pay extra for it in a digital format when I can just go to our Web site for free. Until the Web sites of these newspapers start charging for access, the Kindle subscription is just stupid.

As far as eBooks, I have the Kindle reader app for my iPhone. OK, the screen is smaller. But I don't have to spend any extra money on hardware. The sooner Amazon realizes they have a great software idea but a dumb hardware idea, the better off it'll be. Come up with some computer application that reads the Amazon eBooks and you'll have something.

And of course the textbook people have to agree to producing eBooks. That is no small task at all.
 
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How is this any better than a netbook?

Try reading an anatomy textbook in black and white...
 
Ambient lighting and the refraction of direct lighting mixed together hasn't been duplicated to the human eye. It's close, but not complete. It's hard to duplicate inside a small container when the human being isn't inside that container to be enveloped by the light source.

When they come up with an OLED book of pages [say three hundred equal paper weight thick] pages that are flexible OLED sheets, with it's embedded ICs whose external surface has the tactile touch of a book and capable of refreshing [at page 300 you touch a refresh and go back to sheet 1, now page 301, repeat until the end of War in Peace, et al] as the book moves along and holds hundreds of GBs in the spine [the core shell that houses the SSD, CPU, GPU, etc] before needing a new reader list, while being capable of being used for at least a few decades, then I'll continue to love my books.

Realistically, that will happen perhaps when space travel is routine. [...]

Space travel has been routine for many years. But I know what you mean ;-) As to your device, I'll take two please!

Since when does the New York Times fit in your pocket? :rolleyes:

Since that became one of the parameters under which I'll consider purchasing it. Your mileage obviously varies.
 
For $500 I am still not sold on the idea. It's still quite a trinket. It's an expensive platform to allow me to read a lot of books I could buy for less than the price of the device.

If Apple is releasing a similar device, but with internet, music, video, color, more memory, applications, text input/export, bluetooth pairing, wifi, internet, etc etc etc.... even at $700 it would womp this device.
 
For $500 I am still not sold on the idea. It's still quite a trinket. It's an expensive platform to allow me to read a lot of books I could buy for less than the price of the device.

If Apple is releasing a similar device, but with internet, music, video, color, more memory, applications, text input/export, bluetooth pairing, wifi, internet, etc etc etc.... even at $700 it would womp this device.

Except in battery life and free-for-life network access, neither of which is a small thing.
 
roving technicians reference

"The only type of books you would need to carry a whole library of are reference books, and this is the first one that will actually work with those types of books. This one might sell to professionals, especially if they can get their company to pay for it."

That's what I think as well. A copier tech could have the manuals for everything on the route at one location, same with a mobile appliance repair guy, etc.

A kindle is still less convenient than a paperback for casual reading.
 
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