Amazon not releasing app for Apple TV - partial refund of Prime membership

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by spacemnspiff, Nov 28, 2016.

  1. spacemnspiff macrumors 6502a

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    I got tired of the game Amazon is playing by not releasing the Apple TV app. I asked for a partial refund of my prime membership, after much back and forth, Amazon and I settled on $35 refund for this year, and made it clear that I will expect this refund for next year as well if Amazon doesn't release an app and discriminates against my choice of streaming device.

    I have saved the transcript of the chat for future reference.
     
  2. d21mike macrumors 68040

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    Good for you. They really should remove Prime Video Cost from the annual subscription for those that only want Prime for Shipping due to the restrictions on how Prime Video can be used.
     
  3. nburwell macrumors 68040

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    While I don't have issues using AirPlay to stream Amazon Video from my iPad/iPhone to my ATV, it really would be nice if Amazon released a dedicated tvOS app. It just seems silly for me to purchase an Amazon Fire TV Stick or a cheap Roku to natively stream Amazon Video from that device.

    Good for you, OP!
     
  4. swingandamiss macrumors member

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    Anyone know their reasoning for not releasing an App? Seems like such an obvious next step that there must be a very good reason for it. $35 is a nice chunk of change though OP, congrats.
     
  5. d21mike macrumors 68040

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    I say there is no reason, but if you search around here you will get many opinions. I think the main reason is that Amazon would want to sell and rent movies and tv shows in the app but would not want to pay Apple a fee. But most are saying that they provide an iPad App with the exact same restriction so should not matter.
     
  6. niteflyr macrumors 6502a

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    I guess Amazon just bought you a Fire Stick. ;):D
     
  7. MikeatOSX macrumors regular

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    The reason is jealousy about Apple's business, I think.
     
  8. benjitek, Nov 28, 2016
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    Their have a few reasons -- like revenue sharing. If a tvOS app allowed users to subscribe to Prime, 30% would go to Apple -- same for any non-Prime video rentals or purchases. With iOS, you're directed to the website for video purchase transactions or new Prime subscriptions to avoid the revenue-split, but there's no Safari on an AppleTV. Apple has recently modified the revenue model by reducing the rate to 15% if the service provider hooks up with the new TV App. I doubt Amazon will find that reason to launch a tvOS app, hopefully I'm wrong.

    If you do an internet search on the subject, you'll find a lot of articles on it.
     
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    Seemed strange to me that a couple of months ago airplay on the iPhone was pants & progressively getting worse, kinda forced me to get a couple of fire sticks, but I suppose I'll console myself that if amazon did introduce an Apple TV app it no doubt would be crippled, much in the same way the NowTV app is in the uk for Apple TV.
     
  10. Richard8655 macrumors 6502a

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    I think the main reason is competition between streaming devices. Amazon has their Fire and Apple their Apple TV. It's to Amazon's advantage to make Prime Video only available on their streaming device for profit purposes.
     
  11. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    This might have been true a while ago. But as of last week Apple announced they were halving their in-app fee for all video streaming services. So what's Amazon's excuse now?
     
  12. spacemnspiff thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    My position although a strong one is that I see this as a game Amazon is playing by not releasing an Apple TV app, and forcing users to choose a streaming player such as the Fire or Roku for app support. I prefer Apple TV and as a paying Prime customer, Amazon should support my device and not discriminate.

    I would encourage others to contact Amazon and make their voice heard by requesting a partial refund or just plainly asking for the app support.
     
  13. benjitek, Nov 28, 2016
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    The commission reduction for streaming services applies only after a customer has completed a year’s subscription. The year waiting period is waived if the provider integrates their service into the tvOS/iOS TV App. In order for Amazon to participate, they'd have to allow Prime Video subscriptions to be purchased within the app and renewed in iTunes. They prefer not to, at least not yet. I thought a tvOS app might be coming when Amazon created a separate Prime Video-only subscription for $9 per month, but maybe they didn't want to lose $2.70 or $1.35 per subscriber per month.

    Amazon pays nothing to have their app on Android TV, FireTV, and Roku -- maybe they'll go for the 15% Apple Tax by incorporating their service into the tvOS/iOS TV App and iTunes, maybe they won't. Regardless, the AirPlay capabilities from the iOS Amazon Video app are great for streaming to ATV.
     
  14. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    Amazon's reasoning is pure idiocy. Absolutely nothing has prevented them from porting the same app available on iOS to tvOS. That is if paying 30% or 15% percent is too rich for their blood.
     
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    I've been using Roku for about 4 years and have lately considered switching to Apple TV. One reason I haven't yet is this issue with Amazon. I hope something gets worked out so we can get the app on Apple TV.
     
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    I recently bought a Firestick on the Black friday Sale for $29, and while I do like the UI for ATV a bit better, from my use the $29 firestick does everything the $150 dollar ATV does as well as the ATV, so unless your entrenched in Apple Itunes content the firestick is a pretty good deal for the money
     
  17. benjitek macrumors 6502a

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    It hasn't caused their profits to shrink. Maybe they're waiting for the ATV marketshare to reach a higher level before committing resources to an app and giving away subscription revenue.
     
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    I also wish that there was an AppleTV app for Flixster or any other Ultraviolet digital copy app. They make the app for the iPhone, iPad, and Apple touch. No real reason why they can't make one for Apple TV.

    Oh well, bought two 'smart' TV's and a smart bluray player.
     
  19. Rigby, Nov 29, 2016
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    You should also try to get a refund from Apple for all iTunes movie purchases, since they "discriminate against" all streaming devices not made by Apple. :p

    Sorry, but this sounds absurd to me. Their terms of service never stated that they would support the Apple TV, and you knew that when you signed up. They probably agreed to the refund because they wanted to get rid of you. Well done though. :D
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    Agreed. They keep adding more and more stuff that I'm not interested in to justify the high price. I let my Prime subscription expire when they increased the price to $100. But honestly, I don't miss the 2-day shipping too much since there are many alternatives for online shopping that are often cheaper than Amazon anyway (including 3rd party sellers on Amazon that often have faster free shipping than Amazon even for less expensive items).
     
  20. jeff051177, Nov 29, 2016
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    OP: can we stop saying "discrimination" please?

    Switch on the news and get some perspective: you are being minutely inconvenienced..... not oppressed.
     
  21. Brien macrumors 68020

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    Between shenanigans like this and Charter not supporting most apps (and seemingly the only provider that blocks HBO, Nick, etc.) it's frustrating.

    And as more and more networks get bought by competitors/look to launch their own services, I have a feeling it is only going to get worse.
     
  22. lsutigerfan1976 macrumors 68000

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    I have been waiting for an app for a long time. But to be honest, I only use prime for the free shipping. I very rarely use their music app. And I have noticed that there is rarely anything I want to watch on amazon. And since I have Hulu and Netflix also, I find many of the same movies available on one of those apps also. So I don't feel like I am missing much.
     
  23. Childs macrumors member

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    Amazon doesn't sell Apple TV or Chromecast either. Its just their way of trying to get more FireTV/Stick sales. The only thing I've watched on Prime Video is Stargate SG-1, which is what I do every other year or so, but I can break out the Roku, blu-ray player, PS4, Tivo, etc, to watch it.
     
  24. spacemnspiff thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I don't understand Amazon's reluctance for Apple TV if Amazon already has iOS apps for Video, Amazon should be neutral, one example to follow for Amazon would be Twitter, which has an app for watching NFL games on Apple TV.
     
  25. MysteryMii215 macrumors regular

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    Well, Amazon did stop selling both the Apple TV and the Chromecast because they didn't have Amazon Video on it, but the reason why both platforms don't have Amazon Video on them is because Amazon did not make an app for those platforms. Nothing is stoping Amazon from making Amazon Video available on those platforms. They are the ones causing the problem, all so that way they can sell more Fire TVs and Fire TV Sticks.
     

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