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The Downside to the Kindle’s Free 3G Wireless
From Amazon’s Kindle Development Kit terms:

Active content will be available to customers in the Kindle Store later this year. Your active content can be priced three ways:

Free — Active content applications that are smaller than 1MB and use less than 100 KB/user/month of wireless data may be offered at no charge to customers. Amazon will pay the wireless costs associated with delivery and maintenance.

One-time Purchase — Customers will be charged once when purchasing active content. Content must have nominal (less than 100 KB/user/month) ongoing wireless usage.

Monthly Subscription — Customers will be charged once per month for active content.

So for free and one-time-charge apps, there’s a monthly limit of 100 kilobytes of bandwidth. Go over that and the developer has to start paying the bill. As point of reference for just how small 100 KB is, the Daring Fireball RSS feed at this moment is 115 KB. With gzip compression, it shrinks to 36 KB. So even with compression, a free or one-time-charge Kindle app could only download the DF RSS feed twice per month without going over.


Daring Fireball 10-01-22 1:47 PM John Gruber http://daringfireball.net/


Your example has one key flaw in it on Apple the user would eat the cost. because it would have a monthly data plan and you have to pay for it. On Amazon, Amazon is eating the cost of the wireless data because the user is not paying for a wireless data plan. Huge difference there. So amazon reasoning behind it is they do not want to be shelling out tons of money for huge chunks of data. Now updating with wifi at home I do not see Amazon caring but that would be going threw a different system.
 
Was not the question he ask.

You more proved his original point by your statement there. You refused to give them a chance.

For what purpose? I don't need to give them a chance to know they're just not up to Apple's style and standards.

One day the copycats will get it right. Someone will notice and then write about it. Then I might be bothered to try them.
 
For what purpose? I don't need to give them a chance to know they're just not up to Apple's style and standards.

One day the copycats will get it right. Someone will notice and then write about it. Then I might be bothered to try them.

No it proves that you are nothing more than a blind apple kool aid drinker.

If it is not apple = It sucks. That is your thinking.

Since you refuse to even look at it your opinion and thoughts on it are basically worthless. You go in bashing them with out even looking at them.
And we both know that some one could and you STILL would not go use it. you would find the few reviews from apple fanboy sites and then claim that is why it sucks. you refuse to even look at something that is not apple unless an Apple fanboy claims it is better and if that happens you write off the location as worthless.
 
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*LTD* said:
Is that because you've used the multitude of devices offering apps now? (Blackberry, Palm, Nokia OVI, Android Market, Windows Marketplace).

All of their app store implementations suck. Period.

Can you provide proof that you've used each service before you came to that conclusion? Unless you've used them all, how can you know for sure how bad they all are?

Pedantic? Yes! But I hate sweeping generalizations (which is why I commented on Stella's comment about 99% of the apparently store being crap). :)
 
No it proves that you are nothing more than a blind apple kool aid drinker.

If it is not apple = It sucks. That is your thinking.

Since you refuse to even look at it your opinion and thoughts on it are basically worthless. You go in bashing them with out even looking at them.
And we both know that some one could and you STILL would not go use it. you would find the few reviews from apple fanboy sites and then claim that is why it sucks. you refuse to even look at something that is not apple unless an Apple fanboy claims it is better and if that happens you write off the location as worthless.


ZZzzzz . . .

Yes, we're required to be fair to the also-rans and exercise the utmost in understanding lest we hurt their feelings and those of their user base. They're trying so very hard, after all. :D

If it is not apple = It sucks. That is your thinking.

More or less, yes.

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Can you provide proof that you've used each service before you came to that conclusion? Unless you've used them all, how can you know for sure how bad they all are?

Yeah, I'd better try WinMo and its app store. It might be AWESOME!

No disrespect meant, Chaz, but come on!
 
ZZzzzz . . .

Yes, we're required to be fair to the also-rans and exercise the utmost in understanding lest we hurt their feelings and those of their user base. They're trying so very hard, after all. :D

If it is not apple = It sucks. That is your thinking.

More or less, yes.



Yeah, I'd better try WinMo and its app store. It might be AWESOME!

No disrespect meant, Chaz, but come on!

So you have basically admitted that your opinion on anything not apple should be considered worthless and you are boarder lining that you a troll, an Apple troll but still a troll?
 
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I think Ltd makes people fully aware on his stance on apple and I respect him for that. Despite some of the crap people throw at him, I've never seen him resort to name calling.

No offense taken on your comment either Ltd! :)
 
This is today, we are talking about present day - not three years time.

I do not have a lack of understanding of where technology is headed, btw. I'm talking about present day - you are talking about the future.

Again, why would someone looking for an eBook reader spend $1K over a $199 dedicated eBook reader that suits their needs - TODAY?

If the eBook Reader costs the same amount as the Apple tablet, then yes, they'd probably buy the tablet.

Yes, I agree with you, *over time* multi-capability devices will win out.. but this is only when the price decreases enough, however. This has not happened *yet* in regards to eBook readers. In three years time, sure, things will be different - as has happened with iPhone - now can be bought for as little as $99 ( only because its subsidized by the cell phone carrier).

Another example, PDAs: PDA market died not only because smartphones became cheaper and popular, but also because 'dumb' phones became more intelligent - they can often do most things a PDA can. In fact, if you look,the lines between smartphones and 'dumb' phones is blurring. At one time, smartphone meant - "a phone that you could sync with your computer, and install 3rd party apps" - well, 'dumb' ( Feature ) phones have been doing this for quite some time.

But the present is now, not 3 years time in regards to EBook Readers.

That is all fine, but NOW doesn't matter. Obviously I am not saying that the Kindle will INSTANTLY be gone the second the iSlate is announced lol. It will be over a short time. But the fact is, the Kindle's glory is OVER. From here on out, it is nothing more than a fight against decline and obsolescence! For crying out loud, the iSlate isn't even announced yet, and you can see the desperation with every move they make lol!

Honestly, my guess is there is a good chance you will see a new Kindle this year with a color screen like the Pixel Qi, and they will have their little SDK, but it is all too little too late. They have no experience. They can't even dream of competing with everything Apple has to offer. It is that simple!
 
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I think Ltd makes people fully aware on his stance on apple and I respect him for that. Despite some of the crap people throw at him, I've never seen him resort to name calling.

No offense taken on your comment either Ltd! :)
 
Excuse the double post... zzz: (

I think you triple posted.

What I get andoid by with LTD is it is impossible to have a discusion with him regarding anything other than praise apple and then he will post things changing the title to either praise apple some more or bash the other guy.

Question something apple and it becomes standard Apple is great and knows what they are doing. There is no anything saying I think apple should do this or I do not agree with apple doing *blank*
 
That is all fine, but NOW doesn't matter. Obviously I am not saying that the Kindle will INSTANTLY be gone the second the iSlate is announced lol. It will be over a short time. But the fact is, the Kindle's glory is OVER. From here on out, it is nothing more than a fight against decline and obsolescence! For crying out loud, the iSlate isn't even announced yet, and you can see the desperation with every move they make lol!

Honestly, my guess is there is a good chance you will see a new Kindle this year with a color screen like the Pixel Qi, and they will have their little SDK, but it is all too little too late. They have no experience. They can't even dream of competing with everything Apple has to offer. It is that simple!

And why are you so sure? Do you know that iPad will use e-Ink? And if it will not, are you sure that book lovers will prefer iTab for book reading? Also keep in mind that Kindle price suits many for Xmas/birhtday gifts (price wise) and iTab may be above this limit.
 
Apple is great and knows what they are doing.

Well aside from relatively minor criticisms here and there, this is essentially true. They seem to know exactly what they're doing, and for some reason provide a guiding light for others in the industry. This is fact. While you might have some legitimate criticisms of Apple, you should also understand that by and large these are minor, anecdotal issues. I might be unhappy that my Macbook stopped working for whatever reason and that customer service is giving me a hassle on the phone. But that doesn't mean that my personal experience reflects reality, for example. There is a far, far bigger problem with the rest of the industry - Acer, HP, Dell. It helps to keep perspective.

You can protest the suppression of your opinion, if that's what you perceive, but to counter enthusiasm for Apple, who really is the only company in tech focused exclusively on everything that matters when it comes to the User Experience (even if their efforts aren't always successful) is just silly. I might not like frothing-at-the-mouth Apple fanboys, but not because they're wrong or misguided, but because they're just annoying.

I don't fault Apple "fanboys" for their enthusiasm, though - it's as well-placed as it can be. Apple really is the only tech company that can command this kind of following. MS can't do it (outside of consoles.) HP can't do it. Not even Stallman-esque Linux advocates can be so loyal. That's really saying something. They don't provide anything, whether separately or together, that comes close to the end-to-end experience Apple provides. This experience is vitally important to a lot of people, and unfortunately, outside of the Apple ecosystem, it's either rare or non-existent. I happen to be extremely sensitive to the environment I work in every day, and I'm not alone. The notion that a piece of tech can please and inspire so thoroughly? There's nothing wrong with this. It's what we need a lot more of outside of Apple. It's just not happening.

How many people do you know that actually give a damn about what they do? About what they put their name to? I know a few like that, but not many. It's something I can relate to and appreciate. Steve Jobs is after a lot of things in the industry, but one thing is for certain (and which sets him and Apple apart from the rest): Apple actually gives a damn. No matter how devious they can be, how controlling, how ideological, at the end of the day we've got the iPhone, Macs, OS X, etc. These products don't just happen out of thin air. There's a philosophy behind them and a clear set of standards. This comes through in their mission statement, in their products, in their consistency year after year, product after product. And as a result the consumer benefits like never before, and what happens? Apple develops a following like no one else. It's that simple. It's a situation that is out of the ordinary, and luckily, something positive for a change. Of course you'll get people that desperately want this to continue. I know I do.

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I think Ltd makes people fully aware on his stance on apple and I respect him for that. Despite some of the crap people throw at him, I've never seen him resort to name calling.

No offense taken on your comment either Ltd! :)

We don't have to agree, just understand. And it's working. :)
 
And why are you so sure? Do you know that iPad will use e-Ink? And if it will not, are you sure that book lovers will prefer iTab for book reading? Also keep in mind that Kindle price suits many for Xmas/birhtday gifts (price wise) and iTab may be above this limit.

I am so sure because I have significantly studied the history and industry while seeing everything Apple has in place to use as leverage vs. Amazon and where the eBook reader market is going. If I went into depth it would be the longer post ever on MacRumors, and I am not going to waste my time with that!

The markets will converge and Apple will be on top. Lets just say I have a very good sense of feeling these things out which is why I have such an accurate track record. You'll have to watch it play out and see what I am saying come true!
 
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