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They’re the same but only different.

For example, Apple anonymizes your requests. otoh, Amazon records your conversations and then a rep will post the “interesting” ones on an internal forum for other Amazon employees to enjoy. Then a couple mouse clicks later, they pop up your account data.

But Amazon definitely “respects your privacy”. Just ask them....
There was an article released today that a probe found that Google Home devices had recorded 1000 conversations. I just don't understand why these things are recording anything. Why would you want that in your home?
 
Sonos 1 and the Play 3 are definitely inferior to HomePod. Play 5 might actually sound better, but it costs £230 more than the HomePod. So pound for pound the HomePod is the king. For the price of one Sonos Play 5 you could almost have 2 HomePods and then the competition ain’t even close. HomePod wins again

I have two Sonos One speakers (at the time of purchase they were the same price as one Homepod) and they blow away the single Homepod. Obviously they cost a lot more than an echo. So price needs to be factored in, and Sonos wins.
 
Alexa devices from amazon often sell at ridiculously low prices (I assume at a loss) so I don’t think it’s surprising that they had the largest market share. I paid £10 for my dot.

Of course they do. It's a marketing tool and a way to gather data on people. I'm sure they don't care if they lose a little money on the hardware. Personally, I'd have to be paid (and paid very, very well) to put an Amazon microphone inside my home to record things, no matter how high-quality of a speaker it's attached to.

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Apple has largely lost the smart speaker market and Amazon keeps improving their offerings.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Homepod, but it Siri is definitely inferior
What I don't understand is why there's no App Store for HomePod, no SDK, no third-party apps.

As it is, HomePod is a lot like the first iPhone: what it ships with is what you get. The iPhone really took off when the App Store came online.
 
Apple clearly isn’t trying to compete with Alexa and Google devices which are given away for free or heavily discounted pretty much everywhere I look in the UK. If consumers had to pay a decent price I doubt they’d have half as much pick up.

I love HomePod. My favourite Apple product. Think it was a good idea to drop the price a bit but they really just need to give it some more marketing muscle — it already feels like they don’t really give it the attention it deserves. Sell this amazing product to people and they’ll buy it.
 
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I was an early adopter with the original Echo and at one time I had 6 Echos around my house (1 original, 3 dots, 1 spot, 1 show). Over the past year I have been eliminated all but one of them (I moved the Echo Show to my workbench in the garage) and replaced all of the Echos in living spaces with HomePods.

I preferred the Alexa's ability to answer questions but there were just too many news accounts of Alexa doing strange things (laughing at odd times, arguing with a user who had cancelled Amazon music, etc.) and the story that broke about Amazon employees listening to audio clips and sharing their favorites with co-workers. My Phillips Hue bulbs have always worked with HomePod but I did have to replace some older smart outlets with Wemo outlets that are HomePod compatible. In the near future I will be replacing my Nest Thermostat, Ring Doorbell and Ring Floodlight Cam with Homekit compatible alternatives as I convert my smart home setup to 100% Apple.
 
I have the Echo Plus and I think it sounds very good, especially for $149.
I have the regular echo it sounds fine, but obviously not as good as my homepods. Still decent enough. The google Assistant and Alexa are better than Siri. It’s as simple as that.
 



Amazon is developing a higher-quality version of its popular Echo smart speaker, according to a new report today by Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

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The speaker is reportedly being developed to include improved audio to rival Apple's HomePod and other competing speakers on the market. According to Gurman, the Echo has lost some ground to more premium smart speakers that are marketed as offering superior sound.
The development of a higher-quality Echo marks a new phase in Amazon's attempt to gain ground in the smart speaker segment. The company has previously introduced halfway-house solutions to improve the audio of the existing cylindrical Echo by offering a standalone subwoofer and connections to link the speakers to a hi-fi stereo system. The Echo range will also receive minor updates this fall, people familiar with the plans told Bloomberg.

Amazon also reportedly plans to launch a hi-fidelity version of its music streaming service by the end of the year.

In addition, Gurman's report includes details on Amazon's effort to ramp up work on its home robot, which has wheels and can be controlled by Alexa voice commands.

People familiar with the project have reportedly described prototypes that are about waist-high and navigate with the help of an array of computer-vision cameras, but it still isn't clear what purpose the robot would serve.

Amazon originally intended to reveal the robot, known internally as "Vesta," as early as this year, but the machine isn't quite ready for mass production, according to the report.

Article Link: Amazon Reportedly Developing Echo With Better Sound Quality to Rival Apple HomePod and Other Speakers

One would hope that the advent of these speakers will goose Apple into getting the HomePod out of that goddam walled garden so it can be used as a general-purpose speaker with a sound system or home theater. Everybody knows that the HomePod comes with Bluetooth circuitry aboard but that this is useful only for initial setup. Ideally all it would take would be a firmware update to make this accessible to the individual user (who, after all, has paid for it). If so, I can't for the life of me understand why Apple insists on playing keepaway with its user base, since making it a general-purpose Bluetooth device would not exactly hurt sales figures, which I understand could stand some improvement. What in the world is holding Apple back from doing this? The thinking entirely baffles me. Hopefully the arrival of a serious rival will compel Apple to get off its duff and do something to correct this absurd situation.
 
I have the Echo Plus and I think it sounds very good, especially for $149.

I own both. (In addition to several other echoes, standard and dot)

The Echo Plus sounds like total **** compared to the HomePod.

There’s no comparison.

And anyone saying they are comparable is self-deluded or has an agenda.

The Sonos One is much closer to the quality of the HomePod, the main difference is that the HP’s adaptive dynamics fill the room with sound and seem impervious to obstacles while the Sonos One sounds like a really good, normal directional speaker.
 
Apple has largely lost the smart speaker market and Amazon keeps improving their offerings.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Homepod, but it Siri is definitely inferior

This is one of those things that everyone thinks is true because it's what everyone else says, but without any real evidence.
I've had a HomePod since they first came out and am nothing but amazed by how well Siri works. (The only issue I have with Siri is that it works so well on both my HomePod and iPhone that sometimes they try to preempt each other.)
Based on my own experience, the only reason I can see that anyone complains about Siri is because they're trying to echo what the 'cool kids' say.
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Alexa/Echo has the biggest following. It has the most smart home support and has the best offering for streaming/radio since YouTube has returned to the platform.

The only negative, is what I keep on seeing here - "but but privacy!"

Dude. If privacy is such a bother, you can't have a smart home. All these products and services in SOME way take your data.

Sure. Apple's approach to user privacy and Amazon's & Google's approach are equivalent in the same way that chewing on ice and chewing on glass are equivalent. Both are crunchy & have no color...
 
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This is one of those things that everyone thinks is true because it's what everyone else says, but without any real evidence.
I've had a HomePod since they first came out and am nothing but amazed by how well Siri works. (The only issue I have with Siri is that it works so well on both my HomePod and iPhone that sometimes they try to preempt each other.)
Based on my own experience, the only reason I can see that anyone complains about Siri is because they're trying to echo what the 'cool kids' say.
It’s because the echo and even the google assistant can do more than Siri. That’s why people say it’s better. I have all three, HomePods, echos and google homes. The other 2 are stronger assistants. My HomePods sound a lot better.
 
This is one of those things that everyone thinks is true because it's what everyone else says, but without any real evidence.
I think the market share is evidence enough to say that Amazon is winning

Also Siri is more limited and less feature rich then Alexa. I also own the homepod and it's really nice but it's hard denying that Amazon is winning imo
 
I own both. (In addition to several other echoes, standard and dot)

The Echo Plus sounds like total **** compared to the HomePod.

There’s no comparison.

And anyone saying they are comparable is self-deluded or has an agenda.

The Sonos One is much closer to the quality of the HomePod, the main difference is that the HP’s adaptive dynamics fill the room with sound and seem impervious to obstacles while the Sonos One sounds like a really good, normal directional speaker.
The Echo Plus doesn't cost $300. I don't expect it to sound better than the Homepod. Who is saying that? For $149, in MY opinion, the Echo Plus sounds very good. I think the HomePod could sound better, especially for $300. It's still overpriced. It's a great speaker for hiphop but if you listen to rock music, some of the songs sound flat to me. The vocals still get drowned out by bass.
 
I think the market share is evidence enough to say that Amazon is winning

Also Siri is more limited and less feature rich then Alexa. I also own the homepod and it's really nice but it's hard denying that Amazon is winning imo

Alexa has more market share because it costs $50 versus $350 for HomePod. Nothing to do with any alleged superiority of Alexa.
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It’s because the echo and even the google assistant can do more than Siri. That’s why people say it’s better. I have all three, HomePods, echos and google homes. The other 2 are stronger assistants. My HomePods sound a lot better.

Such as?
Other than spying on me for its masters, what exactly is it that Alexa can do but Siri can't that I should care about?
 
I've read every excuse on here as to why Apple largely lost in blind testing, but speakers needing to "break in" takes the cake.

All this “which one sounds best in blind testing” bs.

Speakers take hours upon hours to “break in” and then are subject to type of music, environment and most importantly, personal opinion.

If it sounds good to you, it is good. That’s all.
 
Alexa has more market share because it costs $50 versus $350 for HomePod. Nothing to do with any alleged superiority of Alexa.
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Such as?
Other than spying on me for its masters, what exactly is it that Alexa can do but Siri can't that I should care about?

The issue isn't that HomePod is bad, it's that other than sound, Echo just does so many things better, and I'm not usually listening intently enough to care about the sound difference. My family loves animal sounds, fortnight hints, games, local radio stations, household intercom, internet phone call (check in with the kids without buying them a phone), ambient sounds, and occasionally connect to other speakers I have. I'm sure HomePod is great and has ways to do many of these things, plus I own so many Apple products I couldn't even count so I like the ecosystem, but there really isn't a benefit to owning HomePod over Echo. Someone else mentioned on the iPhone really thrived with the App Store, and until HomePod offers the same, I just don't see the value proposition.
 
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