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First off, let's get one thing straight. The iPad is not a "real" tablet either, it runs an operating system meant for a cell phone. As someone said before, the Windows 8 tablets will give the iPad a run for its money.

Now, I don't think the Kindle Fire is going to directly compete with the iPad. It will compete, however, with:

  • iPod touch
  • Nook Color

This is not meant for content creation. That's what a computer is for. This device is an inexpensive entertainment device. It has a full-fledged ecosystem with music, books, and movies, cloud storage, and apps. It brings what the majority of consumers looking for a tablet want at a reasonable price point - something the iPad fails to do. And it comes from Amazon, a company that consumers already know of and use.

So your definition of a real tablet is that it has to run a desktop OS? Thanks for the good laugh.
 
No they don't. iPad sales keep skyrocketing despite a down economy and $499 entry-level price. It's the Apple premium people are willing to pay.

It doesn't matter what happens with the tablet competition. There's no market for tablets, nobody wants one -- the only thing that people want is an ipad.
 
As usual Kindle fire kindle touch only available in the US. Meh.

That Fire certainly looks like a contender. Just finished watching the demo. I dont think Apple have too much to worry about but Amazon have to be credited with such devices as the Kindle range. Wonder when we will get the Fire in the UK.

There are international pages for the Kindles at amazon.com
 
It's very hard NOT to make a tablet that looks somewhat like the iPad. I mean what's a tablet supposed to look like ? Round ? 3D ? A box ?. A tablet form factor is rectangular by definition.

Actually I have an entire bottle of round tablets. I swallow one every morning. Your point, however, is well taken.

And in a larger sense the "tablet" market is evolving. To define what a "tablet" is by a checklist of the iPad's features is to confuse a concept with a concrete example. This is hardly surprising among the sheeple that make up the technology press where death matches are the only way to describe what goes on in the marketplace. But as some others have noted, the Fire is not an iPad "competitor" except in the (not very helpful) sense that a Prius is a "competitor" of a Porsche. Amazon has provided another take on the tablet concept. It's an interesting take. And in its own way it's likely to be as influential as Apple's take.
 
I LOVE amazon..

Is what my wife(who is technically challenged) says all the time. Rarely does she know ANYTHING about apple releasing a new iOS product, but EVERYTIME amazon releases something she knows about it.. why? It is splattered all over the front page... this is amazon advantage. Purely my opinion, but I thing people who shop at apple, also shop at amazon... but I dont think the reverse would be true? Thats the key I think...

This is why i call amazon AMAZEon! :D
 
I just read this in the kindle touch description:
That is completely new. And very, very exciting.

Yep

Amazon is taking the Cloud idea and running with it.

Yep again...

I have been paying for a family pack MM for as long as I can remember, .mac at least.

We all know iDisk had it's moments (it worked) but it sucked on speed compared to Dropbox of course. I really like gallery however, and actually do utilize it in every way, along with iDisk too.

But, with the discontinuation with iDisk, Gallery, preferences sync and more left at the curb; what is Apple going to do to compete with this whispersync total service?

I don't care (and I am sure many other's as well) about saving my iWork crap ONLY. Data backup, picture backup for 30 days, ok- but should have been in there a year ago.

I still see Apple having problems understanding the Cloud. More importantly, I feel they gave up on saving whatever we want to the Cloud like iDisk because they could not get it to work.

Am I wrong here to worry?
 
Some TVs can also stream themselves. There's a list at amazon.com

My Sony TV, bought on Black Friday in 2010 can stream Amazon movies and Netflix. I'll never go back to Netflix. The Fire is perfect for my usage.
 
The iPad is not a computer replacement at all.

You have a very narrow vision of what a computer is. Over the decades, cheaper and smaller computers have driven computers that could do a little bit more into tiny expensive specialty niches. There are almost no products produced by traditional mainframe, minicomputer, or workstation companies any more (except really expensive stuff like IBM's Z series mainframes). They were all driven out of the market by stuff that used to be considered toys. Customers adapted to the things they could not do any more (e.g. no one cares that their MacBook can't read punched cards or read the file system on 9-track tape drives).

The iPad and other mobile devices such as the new Kindle are just following that trend. Enough customers will stop caring about the stuff the only a tower PC can do that future iPads cannot. PCs will go up in price and down in volume until only a really small number specialists will buy them, if they can afford them (just as happened to the mainframes and minicomputers in histories dust bin).
 
ill buy my dad this

he has no idea how to use a computer but this could work for him since its pretty cheap
 
The Fire is nice and all but the $199 price is deceptive. To have any constant content on it you have to buy it from Amazon and purchase the yearly $79 Prime membership.

I can see the cost of the Fire rapidly increasing with usage.
I already have an Amazon Prime membership for many other reasons, as do millions of other people.
This is more for the person new to Amazon.
Once they see what that membership offers, the $79 a year becomes moot.

As for your statement "cost of the Fire rapidly increasing with usage."
The same can be said about the iPad. Except the entry price is more expensive.
 
Yep



Yep again...

I have been paying for a family pack MM for as long as I can remember, .mac at least.

We all know iDisk had it's moments (it worked) but it sucked on speed compared to Dropbox of course. I really like gallery however, and actually do utilize it in every way, along with iDisk too.

But, with the discontinuation with iDisk, Gallery, preferences sync and more left at the curb; what is Apple going to do to compete with this whispersync total service?

I don't care (and I am sure many other's as well) about saving my iWork crap ONLY. Data backup, picture backup for 30 days, ok- but should have been in there a year ago.

I still see Apple having problems understanding the Cloud. More importantly, I feel they gave up on saving whatever we want to the Cloud like iDisk because they could not get it to work.

Am I wrong here to worry?

Apple is an amazing company. I have no doubt they will square away the cloud stuff. But right now Amazon is #1 with their cloud implementation.
 
How is this that much different than the Nook Color? I know the hardware is updated but I don't see how groundbreaking this is vs. the Nook?

It's groundbreaking versus the Nook because it has an Amazon logo rather than a Barnes & Noble logo and it sells for $50 less. I'm guessing there's a lot of resume updating going on at B&N today.
 
Very interesting indeed.

There are now going to be a number of devices for various consumer niches:

Macbook Air
Macbook Pro
iPad
iPhone and Android competitors
Kindle Fire
Kindle Touch
Kindle Low Cost

All devices are intended for different audiences.

That's it. In this space it's Amazon and Apple. Nobody else is coming close. Bye-bye RIM. Bye-bye HP. Bye bye Netbooks. Bye bye Sony Vaio Z and Lenovo.

Microsoft and pals will only be left with big back office infrastructure accounts and corporate IT. Boring, but someone has to do it.
 
It doesn't matter what happens with the tablet competition. There's no market for tablets, nobody wants one -- the only thing that people want is an ipad.

People want a tablet but iPad is still the best out there.
 
It doesn't matter what happens with the tablet competition. There's no market for tablets, nobody wants one -- the only thing that people want is an ipad.

It seems that the Kindle Fire is one tablet that people actually want. Lots of energy about this bad boy and it was just announced earlier today. Just look at this thread and the amount of posting regarding the Kindle
 
Is what my wife(who is technically challenged) says all the time. Rarely does she know ANYTHING about apple releasing a new iOS product, but EVERYTIME amazon releases something she knows about it.. why? It is splattered all over the front page... this is amazon advantage. Purely my opinion, but I thing people who shop at apple, also shop at amazon... but I dont think the reverse would be true? Thats the key I think...

This is why i call amazon AMAZEon! :D

She must read a very specific set of front pages, then, because Apple's various releases tend to make a big splash in the mainstream media.


I want a larger screen Kindle Touch for reading pdfs.

++ I was disappointed that the DX was left alone. I want one in legal pad size, with e-ink.
 
The $79 kindle is going to sell like crazy. I have an iPad, and the screen the kindle has is much much better for reading. And besides, at that price, I would be worrying less about droping it or spilling something while reading.

As for the Fire, it might be far from the iPad. But I think it will sell pretty well also. Amazon is one of the few companies I admire besides Apple. Amazon has great customer service, great conent, and their produxts are nice and simple.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Fire becomes the second place in the tablets category.
 
The $79 kindle is going to sell like crazy. I have an iPad, and the screen the kindle has is much much better for reading. And besides, at that price, I would be worrying less about droping it or spilling something while reading.
I have a kindle right now, and I'm debating the kindle touch. An improved display and touch screen (by way of infrared sensors) has got me thinking if I want this. Plus the fact that I hate the keyboard on my kindle now. I see little use for it - only when searching for a new book to buy.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but there's no easy way to get your media on to this device? Amazon's Kindle Fire page says that you can access your 'Amazon content' through their cloud app but what does 'amazon content' mean? If it means 'anything you bought with us' then this thing is DOA. People want to load their own stuff on to it.

Wifi only? iPad Wifi works because you can load your on stuff on to it. You don't NEED a wifi or 3G connection to do anything (you load it with your own content and away you go on your long trip and watch movies all the way).

The more I read about this, the more I'm thinking this thing is more of a great idea that Amazon have neutered than an actual great device.
 
I'm REALLY liking the Fire's interface. Really nice, cool colours, I also love the simple carousel idea too. Looks like a good quality product too.
But I'm not sure how easy it is to use, not for me but for my mum, she was kinda interested as she loves her Kindel so much and finds it so easy to use. Will need to look more into this...

I think I'll buy one though.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but there's no easy way to get your media on to this device? Amazon's Kindle Fire page says that you can access your 'Amazon content' through their cloud app but what does 'amazon content' mean? If it means 'anything you bought with us' then this thing is DOA. People want to load their own stuff on to it.
Its too early to tell if Amazon won't let any side loaded content onto the tablet. I'd hold off until more info is available before making a judgement call.
 
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