It's probably partly because Windows handles non-integer scaling SO much better than macOS
and also this:
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It's probably partly because Windows handles non-integer scaling SO much better than macOS
and also this:
Which model Dell do you use? Just curious, not disputing the difference you discern. I ask because in another thread, someone pointed out a good point I hadn't thought of...that not all 4K 27" panels are created equal, but it easy to not think about that when comparing a 5K 27" iMac or ASD to a 4K 27" display. Dell is a good brand; which model?
What I've noticed, for me, that really reduces fatigue ...
Making things larger on screen
The default "correct" scaling sizes Apple has chosen are smaller than I find comfortable anymore (has been that way for about a decade for me)
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I use the Dell P2715Q. It's generally considered to be one of the best 4k screens to have been made. [And, as you can see from my next comment, I was happy with it until Apple dropped native subpixel text rendeirng in Mojave.] It's no longer made, and one commonly sees complaints online from users who've replaced theirs with newer Dell 4k's that the current ones simply don't compare in quality.
EDIT: For instance:
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Yup. I was perfectly happy with my 4k@27" until Apple droped subpixel text rendering with Mojave, forcing me to downgrade back to High Siera until I could upgrade to 5k@27".
I can't speak to what Windows looks like at 160 ppi, but I suspect you're right, since MS knows most of its users are going to be on lower-res displays.
Very few systems can run 5K120. It requires enormous bandwidth. 60Gbps per display, more than a single Thunderbolt 4 connection can handle.
Even 5K60 was a challenge. It required a bit of a hack to achieve the way Apple originally did it.
How is the Acer 5K 144 Hz monitor achieving it? It has DisplayPort 1.4 and HDMI 2.1. Compression and lowered bit depth?
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Don’t know. Seems like a good guess though.How is the Acer 5K 144 Hz monitor achieving it? It has DisplayPort 1.4 and HDMI 2.1. Compression and lowered bit depth?
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Samsung Display showed off a 27" 5K QD-OLED screen a few weeks back. I know Apple does source screens from them for some things. Hopefully we see this come out from someone. That high PPI solves issues with subpixel text display issues with QD-OLED. Burn in would be the only thing left to consider.
Can DisplayPort 1.4 do 5K 144 Hz with DSC? What about 6K?
HDMI 2.1 will be fine at full bit depth with DSC.
I guess the bigger question is whether or not the M4 Mac mini will be fully compatible with that monitor at 144 Hz.
I bought the M4 specifically because it has proper HDMI 2.1 support. It doesn't have DisplayPort 2.1 though, just DisplayPort 1.4. Only the M4 Pro has DisplayPort 2.1.
AFAIK, the only other glossy 5k@27" currently made is the LG Ultrafine. It's an older design, and has had some QC issues in the past (I don't know if those have been resolved in the current production; you could ask B&H, who sell it).
I believe it uses the same panel as the 5k iMacs, but the AR coating is reportedly not as good (more reflections). Street price is $1,100 (from B&H):
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That would rock, but can Apple realistically sell ASDs (with base stand and no nano-texture) for a grand?
I have long been critical of what I see as Apple's price-gouging (e.g.: RAM and SSD upgrades, things that you can't use 3rd party internal upgrades for now), so this is surreal, but I'm gonna play 'Apple's Advocate' on this.
Quality brand name 27" 5K displays are expensive to begin with; the recently released ASUS offering is around $800.
I've noticed Thunderbolt displays tend to cost more than USB-C DisplayPort Alt. mode-based displays (the ASUS is USB-C).
The built-in spacial audio, webcam with Center Stage and that aluminum body build quality have to run up the price.
As much as I'd love to see the Apple Studio Display suggested retail priced for a grand, I must ask...is that practical?
My guess as a home user, not any kind of tech. pro. or retailer, is that $1,200 might be the realistic floor for pricing of the Apple Studio Display. One caveat - I gotta wonder if they couldn't include VESA mount holes in addition to the standard stand, as their competitors tend to do.
I think they could if they made it more of a studio-focused display*, like the XDR, and thus removed all the bells and whistles studios typically don't need (speakers, mic, and camera): [*A bit ironic they don't, given the name.]
(1) Studios often use external speakers and cameras that exceed the quality of what can be built into a monitor.
(2) Studios often run multiple monitors, in which case it would be wasteful to have speakers and cameras on each.
That would also mean they wouldn't need the A-series processor, further reducing the BOM
Certainly it seems they could if they just made it consumer-grade, like the display on the 24" iMac, which they can sell for $1300 including a whole freaking computer. If you figure the display panel, power supply, and case count for 60% of that price, that's $780. If you then scale it up by area, that's 780*27^2/24^2 ≈ $1000.
They could cut the 27" panels on the same production line that's used for the 24", thus benefitting from economies of scale (modern multi-mode production techniques even allow different panel sizes to be cut from the same mother glass).
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Nothing comes close to the sharpness of text on the glossy ASD, expect the XDR.
Any 4k display over 21" is not retina and any 5k matte display is fuzzy in comparison. Still the best product under 2k if you care about text.
Any 4k display over 21" is not retina and any 5k matte display is fuzzy in comparison. Still the best product under 2k if you care about text.
Sorry, I think my intention didn't quite come through. I understand the significance of refresh rate, I just mean it's not a relevant dig at all the other inexpensive non ASD monitors that they only operate at 60Hz if the ASD also operates at 60 Hz. It's pretty much 60Hz across the board, so it's not a relevant metric for comparison.
I bought a LG 27GR93U-B gaming monitor and use it at 120hz. 60hz is slow.. Really sharp image.
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A number of people like faster refresh rates, some even for general use rather than gaming. That said, the one you cite is 4K. I suspect bearda was referring to the 5K segment of the display market (and not those 5K ultra-wides targeting gamers; I'm referring to standard dimension 27" screens with a 5K resolution). Seems like those have all been 60-Hz refresh rate to date.
A higher refresh rate makes it more enjoyable to use a computer for long periods of time, even for productivity tasks. I will not be purchasing any Apple displays until they are at least 120hz.