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AMD To Drop ATI Branding
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I'd rather they stick with ATI. It's not confusing at all. In fact, it's confusing as to why they think it's confusing.I'm so confused now.
agreed. although at least hey are keeping the Radeon marketing, i think i might be even more gutted to see that disappear for some reason.
If AMD's roadmap comes out and is all that it is supposed to be, AMD will definitely gain marketshare in the thin-and-light laptop category... the new Core i CULVs aren't impressive and in some ways worse than the Core 2 Duo CULVs...
Discrete GPU solutions are going to have to step up as well. Intel and AMD both have solutions that at least compete with the low midrange on die with the CPU for the next generation.
Anandtech's Sandy Bridge demo already shows more power than the desktop HD 5450 from an engineering sample with the nifty Turbo features disabled. ATI and nVidia aren't going to be able to coast with their low end.
I agree with you. The low-end ATI Radeon 4225HD is only about 5% faster than the ATI Radeon 3200HD which isn't nearly enough to compete, hopefully the 5200HD is a larger improvement, and the new AMD energy-efficient, thin-and-light processors can compete with the Intel Core i processors, because that is a large possibility.
I want AMD to succeed to be honest, not because I am a fanboy of them but because Intel has been using monopolistic strategies for awhile now and the fact that they are blocking nvidia and ati options in their Core i processors is ridiculous and hurting the consumer.
I want AMD to succeed to be honest, not because I am a fanboy of them but because Intel has been using monopolistic strategies for awhile now and the fact that they are blocking nvidia and ati options in their Core i processors is ridiculous and hurting the consumer.
The best thing that Apple can do before all of that is to at least provide a VESA driver with Mac OS X - then atleast if you're installing the operating system on an upgraded machine you don't get a kernel panic, that you aren't forced to remove the new card, install the old card, install and upgrade the drivers then replace the old card with the new. We can talk about how it would be great for a larger selection but until Apple provides the infrastructure under the hood for easy upgrading of hardware it won't matter one iota if they offer multitudes of after-sale upgrade options.
It's the same 40 shader 55nm core. AMD hasn't changed its IGP from the old HD 2400 core. It is based on the HD 3400 now but that was simply a die shrink and DirectX 10.1 support.
AMD ramped up the clock speeds but you can hit 1000 MHz with active cooling on the 790GX. I managed a decent 550 MHz from 300 MHz on my HD 3000.
This could be a bad move. There is risk people will link AMD-branded GPUs with Intel-branded GPUs, assuming a CPU-manufacturer can't turn out decent GPUs. The average customer is an idiot, and AMD is forgetting that.
Wait has the 5200HD been released yet and is it still based off of the 2400HD?
I know what ATI has done in years pass is take their midrange card from the previous generation and turn it into an integrated card for their IGP solution, but all the 4225HD is just an overclocked 3200HD which was disappointing.
CoreImage is too heavily embedded into Mac OSX, a VESA driver would literally be useless as no driver. Instead of a kernel panic you would get a nice white screen.
Good. Now I can stop having to write AMD/ATi every time I talk about AMD's GPUs :lol:
On OS X or Windows? I don't know about OS X, but Nvidia's drivers have always been much better on Windows. Among other things, they do much better regression testing-actually Anandtech's said AMD doesn't have a formal procedure for that at all.
Why? Because you had one GPU that may have an an unforeseeable issue?
On OS X or Windows? I don't know about OS X, but Nvidia's drivers have always been much better on Windows. Among other things, they do much better regression testing-actually Anandtech's said AMD doesn't have a formal procedure for that at all.
Why? Because you had one GPU that may have an an unforeseeable issue?
I had a 9700 pro back in the days... still a pretty good card.. much better than any of the intel integrated graphics.
I prefer Nvidia because I find that in general the games are more compatible with their cards. I always ran into weird compatibility quirks with ATI cards... I had games that would just crash or lag down to 5 fps for no reason and it turned out to be a known defect with the drivers/card.
I prefer Nvidia because I find that in general the games are more compatible with their cards. I always ran into weird compatibility quirks with ATI cards... I had games that would just crash or lag down to 5 fps for no reason and it turned out to be a known defect with the drivers/card.
Yikes, a 9700 Pro is *STILL* better than Intel graphics? LOL. Ugh...I just...can't...do...integrated graphics.
I honestly don't know how anyone on planet Earth could be confused about video card makers where there are really only two of them (three if you count Intel on-board). Back in the old day, there used to be a half dozen or more major video card makers. Now there's NVidia and AMD(ATI) and Intel onboard crap video. If you see AMD Radeon (or whatever) and Nvidia Whatever sitting next to each other on the shelf at Best Buy, is ANYONE with even 1/10 a brain likely to be confused WTF the AMD Radeon is or where its origins lie? I would say anyone that IS confused simply wouldn't know the difference anyway (computer illiterate) and so they'd need to ask for help at a bare minimum regardless.
It's obvious WHY AMD would want to get rid of the ATI name. They bought the company (not the other way around) and they are therefore AMD, not ATI. They wanted the technology, not the name and considering they intend to combine CPU/GPU chipsets in the future, it would be stupid to give them two separate names when they are then in fact one product. Intel does not call their on-board video "ZVD Hurricane" or something to sound flash and make it seem like someone else is involved when they are not. They call it Intel. AMD clearly WAITED several years not to finally drop the name so that there is no name confusion.
Anyone that doesn't know AMD bought ATI by now doesn't NEED to know, IMO and should probably not be buying computers because they clearly will end up buying whatever crapola the zit-faced Best Buy teenager happens to feel like selling them (who himself probably doesn't know what the best computer is to buy anyway; I worked at Best Buy in the early '90s and I know exactly the knowledge level they expect their employees to have about computers in order to get a job in that department....ZERO. I've been to their "training" sessions to learn about computer equipment I was selling. Guess how much new stuff I learned? Zero. Guess how much actual knowledge I would expect a Best Buy sales person to have? About +1 from zero on a scale of 20. If someone there knows his stuff, it's not because the company trained him; it's because he already knew it and just needed a job.
The bottom line is that if you're going to buy computer hardware you should educate yourself to a bare minimum of what is contained inside that thing or else just expect it to surf the web and maybe watch a DVD or something. You cannot complain later that games won't play on the thing if you bought something with Intel graphics because you should have known better.
Wow, I did not know Matrox was still around! I had one of their cards and was really happy with it's image quality, but this was 10(+?) years ago when they were within spitting distance of Nvidia like ATi was...I mean maybe Nvidia was 2-4x faster, but at least they were making products that competed in the same segment.
I'd be curious to know what their hardware even is now.
I'd be curious to know what their hardware even is now.
You're KIDDING?!? S3 is still around! Err...why? How?
PowerVR is still around as a mobile thing (ie my iPod). Matrox I guess is selling cards with 4 monitor support (but doesn't AMD do that now too?). What's S3's schtick? :-D
Wow. I didn't realize Matrox was still around. I haven't seen their products sold anywhere for a long time and in Mac (and previously Linux) circles, I never see them mentioned. Where do their products stand relative to Nivida/AMD today? I mean Intel is an absolute JOKE and only gets any traction because so many cheap products include it just to save money (i.e. look at the Macs that used them; they cannot run ANYTHING game wise). Looking at their web page, it looks like they are trying to push a niche area (i.e surround gaming using multiple monitors). The trick of course would be that the game would have to support it to really work well, IMO. I have no idea the graphic levels, but it would be sweet to play something like Test Drive Unlimited in a surround viewing environment (well if they made the force feedback more realistic; I have other racing games that feel much more realistic, but don't have the cool scenery). In fact, I always thought it would be cool to set up an actual little fake car with full force feedback controls with view screens all the way around (for side and rear view windows as well, etc.)
Intel is at least pushing to beat the current desktop HD 5450. Not that those new 80 shaders are any better than the old ones.
it does? excellent. my 1,1 MBP needs a replacement buddy to sit next to it and make it feel crap so that it works harder for me
me either, thats also embarrasing (aimed at Intel-i know you are reading!).
The 9700 Pro was what made me realize how powerful a graphics card could be. I was very young and didn't know much about computers--reading an article about that card made me interested. I ended up building a PC w/ an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro and I remember how awesome it seemed. It's still alive, actually. 7 years old now.
Funny, back in the day, I was a Windows/AMD proc/ATi graphics fanboy. Now I have a Mac w/ Intel procs and an nVidia 8800! How times have changed! It had an ATi x1900 originally, but it burned up on me. I don't blame ATi -- just bad luck.
I'm handing off my Late 2007 (3 years in November) Macbook to some less fortunate cousins. I have the old crash prone iMac Core Duo to fall back on but it shouldn't act up as much as the weather cools.it does? excellent. my 1,1 MBP needs a replacement buddy to sit next to it and make it feel crap so that it works harder for me
Otherwise I'll be Mac-less, again, again.
"nowadays ATI performs better than nVidia without having a ridiculous power draw."
Not true. the newest card, the gtx 460 1024mb, which is based on the newest gf104 chip outperforms the 5850 in some situations while using less power and being cheaper All nvidia's single gpu compared directly against it's counterpart is easily at least 10% faster.
Since most of you all are mac users, other window users know that Ati almost always releases ****** drivers. Nvidia drivers are clearly better on the windows side.