EricNau said:
I'll pay to see that movie. Heck, I won't even go to a matinee! I'm really looking forward to it (er, not the global warming, but the movie, that is).
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An Inconvenient Truth
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I'll pay to see that movie. Heck, I won't even go to a matinee! I'm really looking forward to it (er, not the global warming, but the movie, that is).
fitinferno said:
I can tell you that as a marine biologist coral bleaching cannot be explained by solar cycles. It is another one of those huge scale problems that is difficult to explain. However, it has been proven that high water temps, pollution, and a variety of other factors cause bleaching. It has been shown over and over that once water temperatures go over a certain level, coral will bleach. It takes prolonged increased temperatures to warm huge areas of ocean even a half of a degree. Global warming is happening, the debate is only whether or not people have anything to do with it. I just can't see how anyone can deny that pumping thousands of tons every day of CO2 and other greenhouse gases does harm.
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I'm on my way out to see this movie FINALLY with my brother and his friends. I'm rather excited to see it after the "hype" (if you can call debate as to the truth in its existance that). I'll report back either later tonight or tomorrow, but how many of you are going to see An Inconvenient Truth?
I'm on my way out to see this movie FINALLY with my brother and his friends. I'm rather excited to see it after the "hype" (if you can call debate as to the truth in its existance that). I'll report back either later tonight or tomorrow, but how many of you are going to see An Inconvenient Truth?
How about people start watching the movie before they start debating it, especially when the people debating the subject matter understand little or none of it.
If you refuse to see the film because Al Gore is in it then that is sad. I hate Michael Moore yet I still went to see Fahrenheit 9/11 and because of that I was actually able to participate in debates on the propaganda, I mean film.
If you refuse to see the film because Al Gore is in it then that is sad. I hate Michael Moore yet I still went to see Fahrenheit 9/11 and because of that I was actually able to participate in debates on the propaganda, I mean film.
How 'bout we just watch the Discovery Channel/History Channel/National Geographic instead? I'm not opposed to seeing the movie, I'm just opposed to paying for it.medea said:
That is a silly argument. I can watch plenty of documentaries on birds on Animal Planet but I still paid to watch Winged Migration, which was amazing by the way. Not all documentarians are equal, there may be information in the film you were not presented with in some other documentary.EricNau said:
Likewise, there may be more information on a TV documentary than there is in this movie, which I think has a much stronger argument. When people make movies (meant for the "main screen") they have one thing in mind: money. The documentaries on TV have one purpose: informing people.medea said:
Great movie. Well made, informative, and as timely as can be. Go see it, even if you don't like Al Gore you owe it to yourself to be informed. btw, great product placement for Apple.
So the point behind a documentary such as The Fog Of War by Errol Morris was only to make money and has no informational merit? I don't think so and you absolutely can not back that argument up.EricNau said:
Global warming
It is happening
We don't know why
There are many theories
one not totally borne out
Milankovitch cycles
There is differing data on temperature, as temperatures are taken by manual and electronic means, they have variation different than those taken by satelite. Satellite data shows some cooling while manual data shows some warming.
The point is made by some scientists that glaciers get smaller when there is no snow fall, not just melting, therefore a combination can look more dramatic. Since climate change, warming, can also change patterns of precip.
Here is an interesting picture of global temps for the last 2000 yrs, the reason that it is interesting, the date that the increases begin predates the industrial revolution, and pollution it produces. While I agree the earth is warming, the mechanism is more complex than man made gases. The other fact is, man made pollution is bad no matter how you slice it. Data from Noa, website? JUNKSCIENCE
It is happening
We don't know why
There are many theories
one not totally borne out
Milankovitch cycles
There is differing data on temperature, as temperatures are taken by manual and electronic means, they have variation different than those taken by satelite. Satellite data shows some cooling while manual data shows some warming.
The point is made by some scientists that glaciers get smaller when there is no snow fall, not just melting, therefore a combination can look more dramatic. Since climate change, warming, can also change patterns of precip.
Here is an interesting picture of global temps for the last 2000 yrs, the reason that it is interesting, the date that the increases begin predates the industrial revolution, and pollution it produces. While I agree the earth is warming, the mechanism is more complex than man made gases. The other fact is, man made pollution is bad no matter how you slice it. Data from Noa, website? JUNKSCIENCE
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This can't be good for anyone
"Good". What does "good" mean? What exactly does it mean? Think about it.
"Good".
There is no such thing. There is no such thing as "Bad" either.
Everything is perfect exactly as it is, and if it wasn't, it wouldn't be happening.
"When I am perfectly clear, what is is what I want"
"What is is, you don't get a vote, haven't you noticed?"
"How do I know that I don't need what I want? I don't have it"
"Everything and everyone is doing their job perfectly. No mistake"
"It's nothing short of insanity to believe you need something you don't have"
an interesting and timely story, especially looking back at blackfox's post
Coal cloud from china
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Just got back. I have to first say, if you get a chance, find and watch the South Park episode featuring "ManBearPig" before you see this movie. You will be laughing your ass off at his narratives. It is unbelievable...
As for the movie. It is overwhelming. You must see this movie. I urge you to take your friends, family, and anyone you know to see this movie. Even if you think you may disagree with what it says, why be ignorant? Furthermore, 5% of the ticket sales goes to the Alliance for Climate Protection. Even though the facts are out there and on the table, with the visual representation in front of you, it truly makes a mark on you.
By the way, Al's Powerbook G4 is constantly being carried by him and used. He runs that thing ragged. That should be excuse enough to go
As for the movie. It is overwhelming. You must see this movie. I urge you to take your friends, family, and anyone you know to see this movie. Even if you think you may disagree with what it says, why be ignorant? Furthermore, 5% of the ticket sales goes to the Alliance for Climate Protection. Even though the facts are out there and on the table, with the visual representation in front of you, it truly makes a mark on you.
By the way, Al's Powerbook G4 is constantly being carried by him and used. He runs that thing ragged. That should be excuse enough to go
Wow, that's an incredibly flawed and ignorant point of view. First off, no one in their right mind goes "I want to make money. Guess I should make a documentary" 'cause there ain't big money in docs. Secondly, no one in their right mind goes "I want to make money. So I'll make a doc for the silver screen" 'cause there's only a snowball's chance in hell it'll get distribution let alone turn a profit. If anything building a relationship w/a network/cable channel is a much more financially sound way to go. Finally, the bias of the filmmakers and/or producers is completely irrelevant to the final delivery format of the piece. To think that one format is inherently any more or less informative or any more or less commercially driven than the other is just naive.EricNau said:
Also, last time I checked the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, and the National Geographic channel are not free, OTA channels so you are paying to see them.
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It looks like something worth watching. It should be on TV though, IMO. I think more people need to be exposed to this truth.
It doesn't benefit the gov't and big car co's to say global warming is real, but hiding he facts and continuing business as usual does.
In the same terms, I think Who Killed The Electric Car is another one that should be seen by as many as possible.
When business and politics interfere with science, we've got trouble. Big time.
It doesn't benefit the gov't and big car co's to say global warming is real, but hiding he facts and continuing business as usual does.
In the same terms, I think Who Killed The Electric Car is another one that should be seen by as many as possible.
When business and politics interfere with science, we've got trouble. Big time.
i saw it today. it was amazing, i encourage all of you to see it. i plan on buying it, al gore did a great job.
I have not seen the movie, but I just finished reading Michael Crichton's "State of Fear."
Now, first of all, I am well aware that it is a work of fiction. That said, Crichton's stories are so believable because the guy really knows how to do his research. I would highly suggest for anyone interested in global warming to go to a bookstore and read the Appendix, as it contains an excellent and easy to digest breakdown of the issue and what can be done about it. Also, the book is chock full-o-footnotes that are all real and contain some great references. I am not going to try to refute the film in this post, instead I invite you to research the references provided in the book and decide for yourself.
I personally am doubting the 'dire catastrophe' that lies ahead.
Now, first of all, I am well aware that it is a work of fiction. That said, Crichton's stories are so believable because the guy really knows how to do his research. I would highly suggest for anyone interested in global warming to go to a bookstore and read the Appendix, as it contains an excellent and easy to digest breakdown of the issue and what can be done about it. Also, the book is chock full-o-footnotes that are all real and contain some great references. I am not going to try to refute the film in this post, instead I invite you to research the references provided in the book and decide for yourself.
I personally am doubting the 'dire catastrophe' that lies ahead.
I just saw it tonight.count chocula said:
Loved Gore's presentation style. Loved seeing data that I hadn't seen before. For me, now it's Reagan time -- "trust, but verify". I want to do some research and make sure what I saw tonight wasn't way slanted, although the reviews I've seen from scientists say that the science is pretty spot on.
Amazed at the Apple product placement. Was that KeyNote that he was working in all the time? I wouldn't be surprised if Apple sponsored this at some level.
Didn't really like the recent political flashbacks. I know that they were there to make the point that after losing, this is what he's been focusing on, but it was enough (in my opinion) to have made many feel like this was more about his personal political career/future than about the environment and miss the real message. Or at least what I thought was the real message.
I really really liked this movie, and I think any disbelievers of global warming should go see it.
Like another poster said in here, even if you think global warming isn't real, what harm can come from cutting down on pollution? None. It really angers me when people are so selfish about topics like global warming. It really shouldn't be a partisan issue, and I wish people would stop making it one. It's an problem that belongs to everyone regarldess of political ideology.
Like another poster said in here, even if you think global warming isn't real, what harm can come from cutting down on pollution? None. It really angers me when people are so selfish about topics like global warming. It really shouldn't be a partisan issue, and I wish people would stop making it one. It's an problem that belongs to everyone regarldess of political ideology.
yea, it was keynote. apple was in the credits and so was somebody as a keynote technician or something like that.aristobrat said:Amazed at the Apple product placement. Was that KeyNote that he was working in all the time? I wouldn't be surprised if Apple sponsored this at some level.
Didn't really like the recent political flashbacks. I know that they were there to make the point that after losing, this is what he's been focusing on, but it was enough (in my opinion) to have made many feel like this was more about his personal political career/future than about the environment and miss the real message. Or at least what I thought was the real message.
i didnt mind the political side, but thats probably because i'm a democrat and i wish gore was president. anyways, i can see how it would bother other people and i think it would've been best to leave it out. gore was great, though.
Al Gore uses a Mac and Keynote throughout the documentary. Good advertising for Apple.. now if only our children live long enough to use them in 20 or so years.
The documentary needs to be shown to every money-hungry oil exec, to every politician and to every school kid in America, but especially to all voters.
The documentary needs to be shown to every money-hungry oil exec, to every politician and to every school kid in America, but especially to all voters.
20 years ago, it was ice age. Now, it's global warming. I think this entire issue is over-blown.