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Good day everyone

With the recent Macbook Pros being announced, many found it difficult to pick the most suitable Mac for their needs, especially with Apple's marketing that keeps you wanting to push for the next upgrade.

How far should I future-proof my Mac? Is this CPU/RAM/GPU upgrade worth the cost? M1 Pro or M1 Max? I personally had this struggle, but after some thinking and analysis, I've reached a good balance that I'm happy with and thought some of you may find it helpful as well.

The main question is: Is future-proofing your Mac worth the extra cost?
TLDR: In my humble opinion, it may be best to go with what you need right now, and save the extra cost for when you'll upgrade your Mac in a few years. This of course does not apply to pros who need top-of-the-line specs. So if you currently use top specs "64GB RAM, Xeon CPU ..etc", this probably won't apply to you.

Here're the main arguments.


Is it worth the cost?

We all know that Macs hold their values really well, which makes paying their expensive price tag a little bit less painful, as you know you can sell them for 25-50% of their original value in a few years.

For my two previous MacBooks, I got a base MacBook Air 13" in early 2010 for $999, and sold it in Late 2018 (after 9 years of use!) for around $250. 9 years of use cost me about $750, which comes about $84/year "keep in mind this is a MacBook Air, so lower price". It is just amazing how a 9-year-old laptop can still sell for this amount.

In late 2018, I got the touchbar quad-core MacBook Pro 13" for $1,500 and used it for 3 years. I just sold it for around $1,000, which is an amazing retainment of value. 3 years of use cost me about $500, which is about $167/year "again, MacBook Pro is about ~1.5-2x price of Air at sale".

Now, after these two "basic" experiences, I decided to go with the base MacBook Pro 14", for $1,999. Two things lead me to pick the base model:
1. Suits my current use: I mainly do dev tasks "full-stack dev, mobile dev, vms, docker, ..etc", and after seeing the reviews and tests, it should be powerful enough even for my most extreme use cases, and should be more than powerful for my day-to-day use, and should be enough for at least 2-3 years.
2. The base models hold their values the most: When you resell your Mac in a few years, you are basically getting the value of the base model of the screensize/year of your Mac. Any extra power won't add much to the selling price, as most people buying these used Macs don't care much about extra specs.


When to replace a Mac?

With that in mind, which is better, replacing your Mac every 3 years, or keeping one for 7+ years? Obviously, it depends on each person, but we can at least see what are the cost differences between the two cases.

This of course is open for debate, and we can check the used Mac market to get accurate estimates. In general, I found that Macs retain about half of the base-model value after 3-4 years of use, and at most a quarter of the base-model value after 6-8 years of use. It appears that Macs hold their value between 2-4 years, then between years 4-6 their value declines, and then stagnates after 6 years to its minimum value.

So, let's compare MacBook Pros. If it cost me $500 for 3 years of use, this comes at about $167 per year. Perhaps if I kept it for another year the cost may not go down by much, and the cost-per-year would be around $150 or so. So, perhaps 3-4 years is the sweet spot for price retention.

What if I had kept it for 8 years? Again, this is open for debate, but assuming it retains %25 of its base value ($1500), it should sell for around $375, which would make the cost-per-year around $140. Obviously, if you keep the Mac for more years, the cost-per-year goes down, but not by that much! Of course, if you future proof it for 8 years, the yearly cost will likely be higher, and the future base model will most likely be more powerful than an old "futureproof" one.

So, it may not cost that much more to be changing your Mac every 3-4 years, every time buying your current needs, and staying up-to-date with the latest tech, for a relatively low increase in yearly cost.

We can also look at it the other way, as to how much you pay every time. If you change your Mac every 4 years, you'll be paying $500-$700 in price difference ($125-$175 per year), and if you change it every 8 years you'll be paying $1100-$1300 ($140-$160 per year). Again, not that different.

It is up to each individual to decide whether to keep their Macs for 8+ years, or change it every 3-4 years, but I hope this helps some of you decide which Mac to get.


A few ending notes:
1. As mentioned in the beginning, if the Mac you need now is high-speccd, this will not apply to you, as the price retention would be much lower. This mainly applies to the base-model, or one with a few upgrades.
2. Only you know how much power you need right now, but be sure that you'll end up using what you pay for. Remember, paying $200 for a slightly more powerful CPU costs about a year of use, so choose wisely.
3. Many people try to future-proof their Macs by overspeccing it, and in most cases, they end up not utilizing the extra cost they paid for. The reality is, IMHO, you never know what the future holds or how much power you'll need, so at best you'd be better off replacing your Mac when you need more power, than paying a huge extra amount just in case you may need it one day.

Let me know what you think, or if I am missing something obvious that completely negates this analysis.
If you think the resale value of Macs is different, what percentage do they hold of their original values? What would this make the yearly cost for 3 vs 8 years of use?

Thank you for reading
 
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To put a really simple response to your well thought out thread. You can build a machine that could last many years BUT when the M3 or M4 comes out and they have 100 cores or 150 cores and 256 gig of RAM on the base model. Even if your machine still works fine you are going to upgrade.

MY 2018 MBP worked fine, had 0 issues yet here I am with a new one and I will again in 2 years. Doing the same with Alder Lake my gaming PC is fine its in the top 80% of specs still but alder lake and DDR 5 are too good to pass up.

For some this is a hobby or passion as much as a tool.
 
To put a really simple response to your well thought out thread. You can build a machine that could last many years BUT when the M3 or M4 comes out and they have 100 cores or 150 cores and 256 gig of RAM on the base model. Even if your machine still works fine you are going to upgrade.

MY 2018 MBP worked fine, had 0 issues yet here I am with a new one and I will again in 2 years. Doing the same with Alder Lake my gaming PC is fine its in the top 80% of specs still but alder lake and DDR 5 are too good to pass up.

For some this is a hobby or passion as much as a tool.
Exactly, that's another reason to upgrade every 3-4 years, as the base models will keep getting more powerful+new tech, and the final cost would be relatively the same as keeping a futureproof one for longer.
 
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Nice thread, thanks for sharing! This is on a lot of people’s minds for sure – we all want the new shiny, but what does it mean in the grand scheme? You’ve put a fair bit of perspective to it all. What’s funny though is that you can reason through it all and at the end… ? we still want it!

I tend to agree with the future-proofing, although the one aspect that does tend to be a little grey for my use is VMs. I’ve got a 2018 15” with 32GB and 1TB. The 1TB is a no-brainer, as I can carry my required VMs with me at all times, while the 32GB is debatable. I don’t often run two VMs at a time, but give Windows 10 8GB and you’re only at 8GB for MacOS. In theory swap will look after it, but it feels like it could be a little marginal. Even though I’ve probably never had an serious memory pressure over the last 3+ years, it just feels better having the 32GB. In fact, that’s the reason I toyed with but never went with an M1 model.

One final note on this, I do automatically treat my Mac like I do my car: I don’t know if I’ll be able to afford a replacement in a few years time, so I look after it really well, but I also make sure that it’ll be workable down the line, just in case…aka future proofing ?
 
Great thread, thank you. Been debating swapping my 16gb for a 32, I’ve been struggling to decide what my best option is and this has helped somewhat. I still haven’t decided for sure lol, but this has definitely moved the needle back toward keeping the 16.
 
Great thread, thank you. Been debating swapping my 16gb for a 32, I’ve been struggling to decide what my best option is and this has helped somewhat. I still haven’t decided for sure lol, but this has definitely moved the needle back toward keeping the 16.
I've been in the same spot when I got the 14" Mac. This was probably the toughest choice, as I do run VMs, and sometimes more than one. I decided the 16 is enough for 2-3 years, as I've seen it run 2 vms + iOS emulator and a bunch of other stuff with no slow downs, and I think this should be enough for my max usage. I usually run 1 VM and 1 emulator, and I if I was always running the above I would have opted for 32, but for the occasional max usage the 16 should be enough.

Of course, you know best what fits your needs.
 
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I'm also hopeful that these machines will hold value pretty well. I got a base 14" with just a 1TB SSD upgrade, but I'm a bit conflicted about needing 32GB of RAM. However, it's still better than my current machine, and I figure that if in six months I realise 16GB isn't cutting it, I can sell this on and maybe the M2 Airs will have enough improvements (and 32GB RAM options) to be an alternative, or in a year I can get one of this years' models with 32GB for a bit cheaper, without losing much.
 
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One final note on this, I do automatically treat my Mac like I do my car: I don’t know if I’ll be able to afford a replacement in a few years time, so I look after it really well, but I also make sure that it’ll be workable down the line, just in case…aka future proofing ?

This precisely. People should consider their needs and a reasonable future outlook and go with what they feel. We are just a little too driven with that 'fear of missing out' due to the internet serving to exacerbate it.
 
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Haven't you apple fans learned yet? Apple Marketing is absolute GENIUS. Every year they will come up with something worthwhile for an upgrade. Sure you may hold off for 2 years but they will get you because you are here buying this new one already.

Just buy your toys enjoy them and don't think so much into it. It's not a marriage and even that you can get out of. Expensive, yes! But you'd never know when the next wuhan bomb comes along and your Brandon will make your life much more miserable than it is now. Enjoy your gear today. There will always be new apple products that will make you purchase them!
 
One final note on this, I do automatically treat my Mac like I do my car: I don’t know if I’ll be able to afford a replacement in a few years time, so I look after it really well, but I also make sure that it’ll be workable down the line, just in case…aka future proofing
I think this is an important part of the question. None of us know what the future is going to be, neither for ourselves or for the economy in general.

I have lived through 2 layoffs and one major recession. And I have kept myself self-employed in a technology that required a decent, fast computer. During those "down times" I was very glad I had a capable computer that allowed me to carry on my trade in a way that let me be competitive from a time and capability standpoint. While buying one could have been done in an emergency situation, not needing to worry about that made life a lot easier.
 
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I completely disagree. I future-proof every laptop I buy so they last 5-7 years. In 2015 I bought a top-spec MBP. In 2018 I upgraded to a faster future-proofed Touch Bar MBP.

This time I bought the 32-core GPU with with 8TB of RAM for $6K USD, that should last me 6-8 years at least.

Thinking about buying two just to make sure I have a future-proofed backup. What do you guys think?
 
I completely disagree. I future-proof every laptop I buy so they last 5-7 years. In 2015 I bought a top-spec MBP. In 2018 I upgraded to a faster future-proofed Touch Bar MBP.

This time I bought the 32-core GPU with with 8TB of RAM for $6K USD, that should last me 6-8 years at least.

Thinking about buying two just to make sure I have a future-proofed backup. What do you guys think?
I think you are either joking or have money to spare.
 
Good day everyone

With the recent Macbook Pros being announced, many found it difficult to pick the most suitable Mac for their needs, especially with Apple's marketing that keeps you wanting to push for the next upgrade.

How far should I future-proof my Mac? Is this CPU/RAM/GPU upgrade worth the cost? M1 Pro or M1 Max? I personally had this struggle, but after some thinking and analysis, I've reached a good balance that I'm happy with and thought some of you may find it helpful as well.

The main question is: Is future-proofing your Mac worth the extra cost?
TLDR: In my humble opinion, it may be best to go with what you need right now, and save the extra cost for when you'll upgrade your Mac in a few years. This of course does not apply to pros who need top-of-the-line specs. So if you currently use top specs "64GB RAM, Xeon CPU ..etc", this probably won't apply to you.

Here're the main arguments.


Is it worth the cost?

We all know that Macs hold their values really well, which makes paying their expensive price tag a little bit less painful, as you know you can sell them for 25-50% of their original value in a few years.

For my two previous MacBooks, I got a base MacBook Air 13" in early 2010 for $999, and sold it in Late 2018 (after 9 years of use!) for around $250. 9 years of use cost me about $750, which comes about $84/year "keep in mind this is a MacBook Air, so lower price". It is just amazing how a 9-year-old laptop can still sell for this amount.

In late 2018, I got the touchbar quad-core MacBook Pro 13" for $1,500 and used it for 3 years. I just sold it for around $1,000, which is an amazing retainment of value. 3 years of use cost me about $500, which is about $167/year "again, MacBook Pro is about ~1.5-2x price of Air at sale".

Now, after these two "basic" experiences, I decided to go with the base MacBook Pro 14", for $1,999. Two things lead me to pick the base model:
1. Suits my current use: I mainly do dev tasks "full-stack dev, mobile dev, vms, docker, ..etc", and after seeing the reviews and tests, it should be powerful enough even for my most extreme use cases, and should be more than powerful for my day-to-day use, and should be enough for at least 2-3 years.
2. The base models hold their values the most: When you resell your Mac in a few years, you are basically getting the value of the base model of the screensize/year of your Mac. Any extra power won't add much to the selling price, as most people buying these used Macs don't care much about extra specs.


When to replace a Mac?

With that in mind, which is better, replacing your Mac every 3 years, or keeping one for 7+ years? Obviously, it depends on each person, but we can at least see what are the cost differences between the two cases.

This of course is open for debate, and we can check the used Mac market to get accurate estimates. In general, I found that Macs retain about half of the base-model value after 3-4 years of use, and at most a quarter of the base-model value after 6-8 years of use. It appears that Macs hold their value between 2-4 years, then between years 4-6 their value declines, and then stagnates after 6 years to its minimum value.

So, let's compare MacBook Pros. If it cost me $500 for 3 years of use, this comes at about $167 per year. Perhaps if I kept it for another year the cost may not go down by much, and the cost-per-year would be around $150 or so. So, perhaps 3-4 years is the sweet spot for price retention.

What if I had kept it for 8 years? Again, this is open for debate, but assuming it retains %25 of its base value ($1500), it should sell for around $375, which would make the cost-per-year around $140. Obviously, if you keep the Mac for more years, the cost-per-year goes down, but not by that much! Of course, if you future proof it for 8 years, the yearly cost will likely be higher, and the future base model will most likely be more powerful than an old "futureproof" one.

So, it may not cost that much more to be changing your Mac every 3-4 years, every time buying your current needs, and staying up-to-date with the latest tech, for a relatively low increase in yearly cost.

We can also look at it the other way, as to how much you pay every time. If you change your Mac every 4 years, you'll be paying $500-$700 in price difference ($125-$175 per year), and if you change it every 8 years you'll be paying $1100-$1300 ($140-$160 per year). Again, not that different.

It is up to each individual to decide whether to keep their Macs for 8+ years, or change it every 3-4 years, but I hope this helps some of you decide which Mac to get.


A few ending notes:
1. As mentioned in the beginning, if the Mac you need now is high-speccd, this will not apply to you, as the price retention would be much lower. This mainly applies to the base-model, or one with a few upgrades.
2. Only you know how much power you need right now, but be sure that you'll end up using what you pay for. Remember, paying $200 for a slightly more powerful CPU costs about a year of use, so choose wisely.
3. Many people try to future-proof their Macs by overspeccing it, and in most cases, they end up not utilizing the extra cost they paid for. The reality is, IMHO, you never know what the future holds or how much power you'll need, so at best you'd be better off replacing your Mac when you need more power, than paying a huge extra amount just in case you may need it one day.

Let me know what you think, or if I am missing something obvious that completely negates this analysis.
If you think the resale value of Macs is different, what percentage do they hold of their original values? What would this make the yearly cost for 3 vs 8 years of use?

Thank you for reading
This is a very good analysis. I would add an argument here.

You are considering that the Mac will be replaced only when it gets old and outdated. But it may also happen that the Mac may fail or break during this period of time. The user may drop the Mac on the floor. The Mac may end up having a defective part after the warranty is over. The Mac may be stolen or robbed. There are so many things that can happen to a Mac over the course of its lifespan. If a base Mac breaks or is robbed after 3 years, it is not the end of the world, as it was approaching the end of its expected lifespan. But if a maxed-out Mac is robbed after 3 years, then it should be much worse. Increasing the frequency of purchases reduces the probable residual value of a Mac in cases in which its lifespan is suddenly interrupted.
 
I stopped future proofing. Who am I kidding I upgrade every 2-3 years. 2015 12 inch MacBook (too small keyboard broke 1 and needed to get rid of it before the warranty ends), then 2017 MacBook Pro(sold it since I did not like the keyboard) to 2019 16 in (love it but too big). To 2020 MBA (love it but small screen). Now with a 14in (just the right size). I'd like to keep the 14 base for 2-3 years depending on my needs but future proofing isn't a concern for me. I got the base with 512gb of storage and 16gig of memory. No concern about future proofing. To think of it, I have the same idea with phones. I don't have any qualms about future proofing my phone or laptop. Its really how much memory I need, how much storage I need, and the quality of the screen and keyboard, and speakers. I choose a base 14 in since I need about 250gb of memory plus I would like to explore using the sd card as another drive for storage if needed.
 
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Let me know what you think, or if I am missing something obvious that completely negates this analysis.
If you think the resale value of Macs is different, what percentage do they hold of their original values? What would this make the yearly cost for 3 vs 8 years of use?

Brilliant post, that I think a lot of people will benefit from thinking about.

The only thing I would add, is to make sure to include the cost of any additional peripherals associated with your workflow or use. Sure you can include the cost of say buying a case or skin that you would need to replace when changing Macs, but I was more thinking about the cost of all the other hardware/software that connects to your Mac that may or may not be compatible with future version of Mac OS. If the cost of upgrading your software/hardware setup is even greater than the cost of the new Mac - that whole calculation gets thrown out of whack.

For most people, I do think going with a base model and upgrading in the 3-5 year range is probably the most cost effective. And I guess the one good thing about the new software subscription model is that you don't have a huge sunk cost when upgrading hardware and having to buy all new software. But there will be those few people out there where the Mac itself is just small part of the total cost of all their hardware/software, all of which needs to integrate to get the job done.
 
This is why I bought the base model MBP 16. I know I’ll likely want to upgrade more often than 6 years and there’s no reason to spend the extra on upgrading something that I’ll replace in a few years.
Right! I see if someone buys a laptop every 10 years but holding on to a laptop that long doesn't make sense for me. I'm a tech guy, I know I'll upgrade.
 
Future proof doesn't make sense for a tech-savvy person (if you're on this forum, you probably are). Because 2 years after you buy your top-of-the-line equipment all maxed out, you're going to get sick of it and you're drooling over the new technology. Then you're going to want to trade in that super-powerful machine you spent a fortune on, simply out of a passion for technology, not out of necessity.

It's like that with me, now I only buy the entry version of things...
 
Future proof doesn't make sense for a tech-savvy person (if you're on this forum, you probably are). Because 2 years after you buy your top-of-the-line equipment all maxed out, you're going to get sick of it and you're drooling over the new technology. Then you're going to want to trade in that super-powerful machine you spent a fortune on, simply out of a passion for technology, not out of necessity.

It's like that with me, now I only buy the entry version of things...
totally. My cousin buys a laptop every 10 years. By all means future proof. But if your buying one every 3-5 years I really don’t see a need.
 
Great thread, thank you. Been debating swapping my 16gb for a 32, I’ve been struggling to decide what my best option is and this has helped somewhat. I still haven’t decided for sure lol, but this has definitely moved the needle back toward keeping the 16.
If you are still split on whether you should get 16 or 32, I suggest you watch this video "tldr: get the 16!":
 
If you are still split on whether you should get 16 or 32, I suggest you watch this video "tldr: get the 16!":
Thanks I saw that yesterday, it's crazy I had to watch it twice lol

I'm definitely sticking with the 16, might spend that extra £400 at Christmas instead.
 
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