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Apple is moving towards removing the dvd drive:
  • The App Store for Mac means that Apple is moving away from the traditional software model where you would buy it in a store with a physical dvd towards digital downloads. That brings me to my next point.
  • Apple is phasing out boxed software from its retail stores.
  • Apple is experimenting with getting OS X Lion via the App Store. Currently, the only way to get OS X Lion is through the App Store.
  • Apple is not afraid of removing the DVD drive. The MacBook Air has never had a DVD drive and they were one of the first companies to do so.
  • AirDrop in Mac OS X Lion. Who needs to burn files to a disc when you can effortlessly share them over WiFi?
  • Thunderbolt makes external storage and dvd drives faster than ever.

Apple is clearly shifting away from the optical media.

Improving SSD technology
  • With the removal of the dvd drive, there is now more room for a larger battery and a supplemental SSD in addition to a normal hard drive.
  • Mac OS X Lion has TRIM support. This command improves the durability of SSDs and reduces potential performance problems. SSDs are ready to go mainstream.
  • Apple is increasingly using Intel technology (Sandy Bridge graphics, Thunderbolt, etc). Which brings me to my next point.
  • Intel is working on SSD caching technology, which allows a SSD to act as a cache for a larger hard drive, similar to the Momentus XT. This tech is featured in the upcoming Z68 chipset for Sandy Bridge, and will likely be in the chipsets for the Sandy Bridge sequel, Ivy Bridge, to be used in the next MBPs.
  • This means the new MBPs will feature a standard SSD for speed, much like the MBA, but also have a mechanical HDD for storage.
  • New cloud storage features in Mac OS X Lion. Less reliance on hard drive space.

Apple is clearly moving towards SSD mass adoption.

Apple barely even acknowledged the most recent update. The next one will be big
  • No fanfare, no announcement, merely updating the Apple Store
  • This is not seen as a major update, because it is nothing compared to the next one.
  • Liquidmetal, anyone?
  • Apple's OS X Lion represents its commitment "Back to the Mac". A major hardware update to go along with its major software update follows this mantra.

In conclusion, the combination of new developments in SSD technology, new features in OS X Lion, as well as Apple's shift away from physical dvds all point towards a major update when Ivy Bridge comes.

Ultimately, only Apple knows what is really going to happen, but because of sheer amount of evidence and motive, I believe the next MBP update will be a major change from current models.

P.S. A bit unrelated but still significant is the new Ivy Bridge GPU has DX11, full OpenCL support, and will be 30% faster. Get used to it folks, no more discrete GPUs for the 13" models.


These are all the same rumors they had for this 2011 refresh.

Let's say the rumor mill is true.

First, they have to let go of the square aluminum thing. It looks cheap and dated and it cuts your wrists when you type.

The money you pay has to be backed up by what is inside the computer. It has to be premium. No less than 1GB of dedicated Video Ram for the BASE MODEL and then go up from there. That way it will be just about right for a PC of the same caliber and price.

Ive needs to go. Steve needs to go. Apple needs to go to people without egos the size of Mt. Rushmore.

Macs should be able to come in glossy or matte without you being charged extra for it. You should be able to order the way you want it.

They also need to go with INDUSTRY STANDARDS, instead of going for what Steve thinks is cool. Like this stupid Lightpeak and No DVD drive. Are you joking?

Also, they should include a free Apple carry case. A simple one. Even a sleeve with a handle would be fine.

If they do these things, I might consider a Mac.

'Till then, I will be an iPhone user. iPhone is the best smartphone out there. Too bad I can't say the same for the computers.
 
I disagree with almost every prediction made by the OP.

You're suggesting Apple will replace the, relatively inexpensive, superdrive with an SSD, keep the HDD, Add battery life, And have a 20%-30% increase in cpu performance IN ADDITION to a complete body overhaul? That would bump up the base MBP price A LOT

And you claim Apple doesnt see this most recent update as major AND THEN you want to insinuate thats because they want to keep it quiet for NEXT YEARS update so it wont hurt sales????Seriously???

You don't make any sense.

A 20-30% increase in CPU performance doesn't cost more. It is just the progression of technology. The fact is Intel continually releases better processors about every year or so, but doesn't continually charge more for them. That is just the nature of the rapid progress in technology.

Also, I doubt the SSD storage will be large, similar to the current MBA. Oh, what is the base price for a MBA? $999. Yeah real expensive. Not to mention dropping SSD prices.

A redesign of the unibody to make it thinner and no optical drive would not cost more than the current form. Its pretty much the same process, same material. Honestly I think liquidmetal is a longshot.
 
You don't make any sense.

A 20-30% increase in CPU performance doesn't cost more. It is just the progression of technology. The fact is Intel continually releases better processors about every year or so, but doesn't continually charge more for them. That is just the nature of the rapid progress in technology.

Also, I doubt the SSD storage will be large, similar to the current MBA. Oh, what is the base price for a MBA? $999. Yeah real expensive. Not to mention dropping SSD prices.

A redesign of the unibody to make it thinner and no optical drive would not cost more than the current form. Its pretty much the same process, same material. Honestly I think liquidmetal is a longshot.

A red herring and a straw man in the same rebuttal...fail
 
Btw, the "SSD" as you all call it for the MBA is not really an "SSD". It's "flash" memory, which is cheaper then buying SSD parts but its the same damned thing.

Continue.
 
you won't get all that for the same price!!! apple simply can't do all of that because of the price.

and the MBA is the not first thing to feature no super drives.

tablet PCs +netbooks have been doing it for AGES, apple are kidding themselves by saying the MBA is not an expensive netbook.
 
These are all the same rumors they had for this 2011 refresh.

Let's say the rumor mill is true.

First, they have to let go of the square aluminum thing. It looks cheap and dated and it cuts your wrists when you type.

The money you pay has to be backed up by what is inside the computer. It has to be premium. No less than 1GB of dedicated Video Ram for the BASE MODEL and then go up from there. That way it will be just about right for a PC of the same caliber and price.

Ive needs to go. Steve needs to go. Apple needs to go to people without egos the size of Mt. Rushmore.

Macs should be able to come in glossy or matte without you being charged extra for it. You should be able to order the way you want it.

They also need to go with INDUSTRY STANDARDS, instead of going for what Steve thinks is cool. Like this stupid Lightpeak and No DVD drive. Are you joking?

Also, they should include a free Apple carry case. A simple one. Even a sleeve with a handle would be fine.

If they do these things, I might consider a Mac.

'Till then, I will be an iPhone user. iPhone is the best smartphone out there. Too bad I can't say the same for the computers.

So you've been leaving yet another trail of inflammatory and ignorant comments. I'd advise you to stop. If you don't know what you're talking about, you're better off saying nothing at all.

Aluminum chassis are exceptional from an engineering and aesthetic standpoint. If you don't like them, that is your business. However, there is a reason the basic configuration is cloned frequently across the PC landscape.

Your argument on price and features is not valid. Just because you feel it should be a certain way doesn't make it so. It is very clear what market Apple is targeting, with all of their machines. They are able to sell to those markets exceptionally well. Specification thumpers like yourself do not make up even a tiny fraction of the PC market. There is no reason for them to listen to you.

Ive is one of the most brilliant industrial designers of our generation. There is a reason his products are some of the most iconic in the world, and have earned places in museums. Who are some nobody like you to judge his work in that way? That's pathetic, insulting even. Create something, just one thing, that bears a mention in the same breath, and maybe somebody will actually care about anything you say.

As for Steve... well. That's rich. Steve has had an extraordinary life. Certainly he is not the most humble, or the most affable character. Somehow, I think he's earned that callousness though. Steve created the Personal Computer. Then he created the mobile PC. Then animated feature films. Then he solved our music problem. Now he's slowly discarding the PC and moving on once more. As I said above, if you can do ONE thing in your life worth mentioning, maybe you can have an opinion. Until then, you can shut up and sit down. These men know more than you, a lot more.

It is easy to criticize. Pundits sit back in their chair and gawk and croon about technology. Most of them have never done anything, most of them have no right to pass flippant judgement. Creating, though... that is hard. Focus is hard. Design and engineering is hard. Do one hard thing before you take to punditry.

I don't disagree that a matte option would be nice.

Industry standards are monolithic. What is the industry standard for external high-bandwidth I/O? It isn't Firewire or USB2 or eSATA or USB3... what is it? Well there actually really isn't one. People use what they happen to have access to. Thunderbolt has the potential to radically change peripheral interconnect, and make notebooks hugely more capable. It is a technology built on a preexisting standard, by the company who has created the last few standards for us. If you are mocking Thunderbolt, you are hopelessly stupid.

A sleeve? That's a weird request... I guess a sleeve would be okay... isn't it nicer to be able to select your own carrier though?

You know what, I'd prefer it if you never bought a Mac. You should keep your ludicrous hypercritical retardation from infecting the gene pool. We don't want you here, or your unstructured pointless punditry. Go away.
 
You should keep your ludicrous hypercritical retardation from infecting the gene pool
That sounds cool, man. Would you give me permission to use this phrase when I need to? Thanks.
 
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Sorry, just to state the obvious.
Aren't we seeing this every time there is an update?

People are putting their wish list or dream and claiming that Apple will (or should) fulfill that in the next refresh? And every refresh we see that it's not coming in full? Then some people start saying that Apple is going down because they don't fulfill their wishes. Apple, somehow, is keep on getting stronger.
I'm not saying it's wrong to put up wish list, but let wish-list be wish-list and not prediction or worse, demand.

Well, just stating the obvious. I'm sure everybody knows that.
 
I think the OP has it nicely thought out and its quite plausible.

Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if we get nothing but a body redesign. When the unibodies came out, that was the only significant feature. I don't consider dual GPUs a feature at the time because it offered the usual generational progression (8600 -> 9600) but even with the 9400m enabled, battery life was the same as the generation before.

So if Apple goes with their tradition of trickling features down to us, they will likely use the redesign as a distraction for the lack of other improvements.
 
Oh yes,

and also this :
Processor
Intel Ivy Bridge: 20%-30% Performance Boost Over Sandy Bridge.

13000 Geekbench score sounds awesome. :cool:

When is Ivy Bridge coming out? How would the extra 20%-30% performance boost over Sandy Bridge compare to my current Core 2 Duo 2.4 ghz? How much improvement would it bring? (Would I be able to play graphic-intensive games on medium?)
 
(Would I be able to play graphic-intensive games on medium?)

Is that what you're holding your breath for? Medium settings on a sub-1080p screen?

Build a custom pc for $1200 that will let you play the latest and greatest on MAX settings with a 1080p res and then buy a nice, possibly used, mbp13 or air for the road. Both will last you for years and you can slowly replace parts on the pc desktop as they out date themselves, selling the parts you replace. This is what I was doing before I stopped gaming.
 
if i recall the old design lasted 69 months, this design has been here for 30 months...maybe their will be a redesign in 2014
 
Is that what you're holding your breath for? Medium settings on a sub-1080p screen?

Build a custom pc for $1200 that will let you play the latest and greatest on MAX settings with a 1080p res and then buy a nice, possibly used, mbp13 or air for the road. Both will last you for years and you can slowly replace parts on the pc desktop as they out date themselves, selling the parts you replace. This is what I was doing before I stopped gaming.

This is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. If I was a gamer this is what I would do. Trying to extract high performance from a notebook is a very expensive affair. If you must, then you must… but you will pay for it.
 
if i recall the old design lasted 69 months, this design has been here for 30 months...maybe their will be a redesign in 2014

I was sort of thinking the same thing. It seems too soon to refresh the entire look of the MacBooks. They seem to be selling like hot cakes still, and no one in pc land is even close to catching up to apple on the design.
 
hmmm... i think a redesign is eminent, too. sooner than later. especially, if apple looks around the marketplace and seeing the rest of the industry adopting aluminum and their design cues.

Imminent = likely to occur at any moment

We won't see anything for at least 8 months, and that's on the short side for an update cycle. Given that updates were released less than a week ago, a redesign couldn't be any less imminent.
 
Imminent = likely to occur at any moment

We won't see anything for at least 8 months, and that's on the short side for an update cycle. Given that updates were released less than a week ago, a redesign couldn't be any less imminent.

huh.

but it is still imminent. a redesign. next year.
 
Apple has a track record of sticking to a working design (Mac Pro).

The current unibody macbook works really really well. It might be get little updates here and there (like the alu-iMac).
If you are expecting a overhaul with liquidmetal (or whatever), seriously don't hold your breath.
 
remove optical drive, spaces for 2 drives. SSD and HD. this would be the best.

or
remove optical drive, use space for motherboard to fill and have onboard ssd like mba :eek:
 
I feel like the OP makes a lot of good points. But here is another good point.

I've talked with many people over the years on MacRumors. I've met some people who upgrade their computers every refresh. I've asked them, how do you do it? But it's simple, they sell off the old machine since Mac's keep a high resale value. They end up losing $300, but around $300 a year is pretty good if you consider it renting a computer while getting to always have the latest and greatest.

For instance, my MBP (not the new one I'm getting in the mail Wednesday) is almost exactly three years old. It was $2000 new, plus $100 to upgrade to 4GB ram and another $100 to upgrade to 500GB drive. So $2200. Today, a similarly spec'd MBP on CL, eBay, or MR Forums goes for, last I checked, around $700-800. So it lost about $1400 value in three years. That's about $470 a year to own a machine and stay with the slower speed. But if you look at the last generation of Macbook Pros, they are only $200-300 below the current gen on these same sites.

So if you wait to upgrade, you end up losing money over that period of time and you have a slower machine for longer. So we should all just upgrade every year. Since I had already waited awhile I decided I would upgrade whenever quad-cores hit the MBP line. I just might do the same thing next year if I can sell my current machine for a good price. My main concern is getting my wife on-board, as I don't think she completely understands what I mean. But I do this every year with my iPhone. Hell, last year I ended up selling my 3GS for $350 on CL! After iPhone 4 32GB purchase, taxes and activation, I ended up getting the newest iPhone and $9 in my pocket. Sounds crazy, but it's true. Hopefully I can be as successful as others on MR with the MacBook Pros and do this also next year so I can get a crazy touch-screen triple SSD ThunderBolt 2.0 liquid-metal MBP.

This is exactly what I plan to do too. It's the most logical way...save money and always have the best computer!
 
^ This

That's some good analysis.

Actually, the one way I know for sure that Apple will bring an extremely nice design refresh to the 2012 MBP is because I plan on buying this years model.
 
I hope you're right brah. I want that damn optical drive gone :mad:

I really think a redesign is next too.
 
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