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Just wanted to share for anyone who may be interested in what OWC has to say, but I posted a comment on OWC website about not being able to update natively on osx. This is the response I got...

Well you do have the option of sending the drive back to us, Jordan…and last I checked, no other SSD brand has a Mac based updater. Not to throw under the bus, but we were counting on one of our development partners to create the Mac based updater. So after too long a delay, we decided to work on that ourselves.
This is an emerging technology…and like all such, early adopters do run the chance of inconveniences along the way. Deception? That is pretty harsh when there are ways to achieve the end desired result.

I have since replied saying i thought it was pretty deceiving because they mention nowhere on there site that it won't update via osx, and that his solution was less than ideal. What am I supposed to do, backup my ssd, wipe it to protect my data, send it out, wait, get it back, reinstall, clone my backup back to the ssd every time a firmware update comes out?

The comment has yet to be approved or responded to but i'll update if it does.
 
He ignores the fact that many other vendors provide a boot CDRom ISO that can be used with a burned CD or thumb drive to do FW updates on a Mac.
 
He ignores the fact that many other vendors provide a boot CDRom ISO that can be used with a burned CD or thumb drive to do FW updates on a Mac.
i know haha i just thought it was funny he said it wasn't deceptive at all....

umm yeah it is, you guys charge hundreds of dollars and make no mention of it or at least say mac support coming soon. Than at the same time there are people in those same comments asking him if it will work in their mac and he has no problem recommending it to them without mentioning the firmware dilema... pretty deceptive if you ask me.
 
Have they answered why their CURRENT 2?nm SATA2 drive is running SLOWER speeds than that same drive when it was using 34nm memory?

Furthermore, have they answered why their SATA2 drive is still advertised under testing done on a different drive, when the figures that they have published are obviously not correct?
 
Looks like OWC Grant edited his blog post to now question the credibility of Anand (if the OCZ comment was there earlier I did not see it). I guess OWC does not like an honest review of their drive. Anand thoroughly debunked OWC's claim of OCZ using off spec NAND.

I'm not thrilled with the way OCZ handled the 34nm to 25nm NAND transition either, but when called on it at least they owned up to the mistake.

OWC Grant
May 6, 2011 at 11:54 am

So to us, much ado about nothing…and interesting he’s concerned about this but gives OCZ a pass basically on using SpecTek NAND in certain Vertex II models.
 
Looks like OWC Grant edited his blog post to now question the credibility of Anand (if the OCZ comment was there earlier I did not see it). I guess OWC does not like an honest review of their drive. Anand thoroughly debunked OWC's claim of OCZ using off spec NAND.

I'm not thrilled with the way OCZ handled the 34nm to 25nm NAND transition either, but when called on it at least they owned up to the mistake.

I think OWC is arrogant when it comes to SSDs nowadays. They act like their SSDs are somehow special and if someone criticizes them, they deny everything. I'm pretty sure Anand is unbiased when it comes to things like these. OWC's attempt to denigrate OCZ was pathetic too. Their endless promises of OS X updater and PCIe SSD for Mac Pro haven't improved their image either.
 
Kind of sad to see OWC try to impugn the integrity of Anand and it does not reflect well on them. I have been reading Anand's reviews since he started Anandtech when he was 14 years old and I have never seen any bias ever in his reviews.
 
WOW! I have really lost all respect for OWC at this point...

Here is their response to the fact that OWC drives cannot be updated via OSX, and my subsequent response, which again will most likely not be published as they try to protect their tarnishing reputation:

Hi Jordan-
With all due respect, your post is a very uninformed one. Like Grant said, no one has a Mac-based firmware updater. Furthermore, OWC has taken it upon themselves to develop one rather than make their customers wait for something that could take months or longer. Or never come out at all.

As far as the drives “being useless” w/out the firmware update- again, false claim. I have been using 4 OWC SSD RE’s SATA 2.0 ( 3Gb/s) for about 6 months now without a hiccup. Additionaly, they are the exact same speed today as the day I bought them. And yes, they are running on OS X.

Lastly, you state that OWC is trying to “deceive” it’s customers. Once again, untrue. They have been talking about the issue and all the aspects of the firmware for a while now- completely out in the open w/ nothing to hide. This is the opposite of deception.

Anyways, I really felt I need to reply to your post, Jordan, because it’s contents are completely false in every aspect and that, and that alone, is the only thing that may decieve OWC’s loyal customers.
This is a great company- one of the very best tech companies in the world without a doubt. OWC did not build it’s reputation of outstanding quality products and unsurpassed customer service by deceiving their customers. They’ve been in business for so long that if it were the case, we’d not be posting on this ‘OWC Blog.’
Regards,
Scott

I am uninformed? No… other companies still offer ways to update the firmware on the drive without the use of windows. It may not be a native OSX installer, but at least it can be done without having to send the drive out or partition valuable space just for the sake of updating FW. Look up Intel SSD’s and how you can update them for proof… so you tell me how I have to wait “months or longer” with other drives? Last I checked, I still can’t update any OWC drive on OSX, I can update other drives TODAY.. no waiting involved. Seems to me you are the uninformed one. Try looking around at the competition instead of blindly promoting your own product.

A drive that cannot be updated is useless in my opinion. Why put out the update to the firmware if it does nothing for the drive? What are the points of updating the firmware if the old one is “perfectly fine”

Lastly, you don’t find it deceptive that people are asking about how these drives function in a mac, and you make no mention at all about the ability to update the firmware? Let me give you the definition of deceive.
–verb (used with object)
1.
to mislead by a false appearance or statement
OWC is falsely appearing to be fully supported by OSX, and Grant has misled customers through his statements that OSX is fully supported. The inability to update the drive means it is NOT fully supported in OSX. This is clearly and definitive deception whether you want to admit it or not. Don’t try to deceive more people by still not admitting the root of the problem. If I have osx on my machine I CANNOT update the drives firmware, that you cannot argue, and by not admitting to the problem and instead trying to make it look like I am the liar, you are only further deceiving your customers.
and this just made me LOL...
Well Jerry…until this week, it was only the 2011 MacBook Pros…but now the 2011 iMacs as we have found have the 6G bus too.

Now, if you’re looking for PCs that have it, well…we kinda do specialize in Macs ;-)

Although we are diving into the PC pool in many ways…so someday we’ll have the multitude of machines covered in that realm too.

so you specialize in macs, and are just now diving into the PC market, yet the drive can only be updated with windows?

OWC obviously feels no need to take responsibility for their products and must think everything they make is perfect and has never had a problem... ever? Hmmm... why did you have to solder that wire then?

If it were my MBP 17″ and a SSD was acting improperly in it, I’d certainly look into the reports of other owners getting Apple to replace their machine with a new one and then experiencing no issues with an SSD in the main drive bay. To be clear, we have no contact for such, no “insider” info or angle….just passing along what we’ve heard and read..

So basically if the SSD you bought doesn't work, contact apple and have them replace the machine because that MUST be the problem. Now I'm not saying some problems may not stem from errors on apples end, but to say if your drive has problems you should just have apple replace the entire computer is absolutely rediculous!!!!

NEVER, and I mean never will I buy an OWC product until they pull their heads out of their asses and stop treating their customers as if they are retarded 3rd graders!
 
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This is very heated indeed

But I think you will find OWC are simply marketing their drives in a particular manner as all companies do: I mean come on ure bustin OWCs balls for stuff a lot of multinationals companies do, I mean with the transition of 34 to 25nm debacle being one eg

Didn't intel have a f/w disaster a year or 2 back
Both intel + crucials intermittent success with sata 6 interface on the new 2011 MBP
 
Omg its so cool in 2011 to be rude to a company on the internet!

Stick it to the man dude!
 
what exactly is rude about asking a company questions?

I can't post my opinions on their responses?

:rolleyes:
 
As someone who used to LOVE their products and advocate them die hard, I do not know what to say.
 
I have always had an impression that OWC was a stand up company. I'm disappointed on how they are handling this.
 
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