AnandTech reviews new MacBook & MacBook Pro

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  1. Pressure macrumors 68040

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    AnandTech has reviewed the two new models and compare them to several other Apple notebooks, the Merom MacBook Pro, Yonah MacBook Pro and the MacBook Air.

    He also reveals the battery time of all the models as well as talking about the heat output of these new models.

    The article covers a lot of useful information if you are looking to buyor just curious how they stack up with previous models. He tells you what is new and gives an indication of what to expect from Apple and Intel in the future.

    I can honestly say my MacBook Pro (Yonah) seems long in the tooth after reading this article.

    Apple’s 45nm Refresh: New MacBook & MacBook Pro

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  2. ibinco macrumors regular

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    "The timeline for all of this is pretty simple; you can expect Montevina before the end of 2008 (Intel lists it as June on its internal roadmaps, but you can expect to see it in notebooks anytime in Q3). Despite being officially released this year, Nehalem won’t be in notebooks until sometime next year so the big performance upgrade will be a 2009 thing."

    I found this particulary interesting, some are claiming we will see monteniva as early as June, but that truely sounds way to soon. He refers to Q3, probably end of Q3 that would mean September!?

    Furthermore, nice review and im glad that pernyn had a possible effect on temperature and obviously the larger HD's and gfx RAM bump were enough of a reason to upgrade from Santa Rosa!
     
  3. slybeans macrumors member

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    Very good review, except he says that multitouch is available on Macbook AND Macbook Pro.
     
  4. skiffx macrumors 6502a

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    Basically if you have 2.5 and you got 7200rpm hd and 4gb it will eat top of the line merom for breakfast ;)
    Overall great review...My new Penryn is on its way, and I think Ill use it for a year+ then sell it to get the Nehalem one with the redesigned case.
     
  5. Pressure thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Indeed, Anand is aware of the error and should correct it anytime now :)
     
  6. Azmordean macrumors 6502

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    Good review... has me on the verge of pulling the trigger on a base model MBP...
     
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    What does he...review? There are no benchmarks or anything. In my opinion he summed up the technology change well with penryn, as well as laying out the future roadmap clearly. Makes me want nehalem.
     
  8. Ello macrumors newbie

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    Nice review! I still hasn't decided if I'm going for 2.4 or 2.5, but after reading this the base model seems good enough. The midrange doesn't seem to be worth the extra $500 for me. But 200GB@7200rpm or 250GB@5400rpm, hmm... all these decisions drive me crazy!
     
  9. PDE macrumors 68020

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    They also said that it's a IPS display and not a TN display. I think that's wrong too....
     
  10. Stridder44 macrumors 68040

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    I still wanna see some more temp. tests/comparisons.
     
  11. akadmon macrumors 68020

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    Go with the 7200 rpm. It will actually cost you less than if you to put it in yourself later (unless you happen find one of these drives lying on the ground, in perfectly working order).
     
  12. nikhsub1 macrumors 68010

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    Eat it for breakfast? ROFL. The speed increase is minuscule - no user could tell the difference no doubt. Nahalem is what to wait for IMO.

    There are plenty of speed comparisons...

    Again it will be VERY minor if anything at all. In addition to that, it will depend on how the thermal paste is applied... my SR notebook had about 100x more paste than needed and ran a good 20C hotter than it should have...
     
  13. taphil macrumors regular

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    It's not stated and thus not clear whether he tested the old and new MBP with old and new batteries, respectively, or both with new batteries. It needs to be mentioned in order to see if battery age is responsible the for increased battery life in the new MBP.
     
  14. lekun macrumors regular

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    I appreciated the specs review. The one thing I thought the reviewer was unclear on is the keyboard on the MBP. You can actually activate Application Expose and Remove Windows Expose by pressing F3 and Control (for App Expose) and pressing F3 and Command clears all the windows.

    It isn't as elegant as F8, F9, & F10, and for that reason I switch the keyboard default to pressing FN activates the special keys, which allows me to use F8, F9, and F10 for Expose, but still easily control iTunes with the FN key.

    Also the reviewer said that these notebooks are largely a product of Intel's innovation, and I had a couple of reactions to that. First, isn't this largely the case in Apple's resurgence and the industry as a whole? I think of Apple's greatness taking two forms. One is software. The second is its ability to take commodity parts and arrange them in a well designed way, with minimal hardware innovation, and spending most of the time letting the hardware product showcase their software.

    The iPod, the iPhone, and Mac lineup is mostly made up of commodity parts readily available to other manufacturers.

    Indeed the MacBook Pro offers much the same internals as a Dell. Apple's arrangement of those parts evokes its design aesthetics, and Apple has done a good job of sprinkling a few hardware innovations: backlight keyboard, large trackpad, multitouch - which as an aside is one of the greatest innovations on any notebook.

    Two finger scrolling is simply brilliant; and the ability to second click with two fingers down is genius. With the latter I get a really large single button target whether I am doing main click or second click and can distinguish between the two with one or two fingers which is very simple to memorize. The system puts to shame all notebooks with tiny trackpads and buttons split equally into two (despite the fact that no one, and I mean NO ONE uses secondary click as much as they primary click, so why make the primary button the same size as the secondary button? Ridiculous.)

    The IBM X40s answer to backlight keyboard - a yellow bulb at the top of the display that shined down onto the keyboard. How can it be said that Apple doesn't innovate in hardware? They do. But their focus is innovating in software. And I think the arrangement of the commodity parts into such an awesome design is also an innovation.

    So I see a lot of hardware innovation in these laptops, but I also don't expect to see evolution, or even revolutions in each iteration. Intel is to chips as Apple is to software. So I expect Apple to keep innovating software at the same level that Intel innovates with their chips, and the synergy between the two to be awesome.

    Which I think it is.
     
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    Um, the temp. decrease is anything but minor. I went into an Apple store and felt the new Penryn MBP's myself. They are way cooler than the previous MBP's.
     
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    Now that you've given me that scientific evidence I can now rest at night :rolleyes:
     
  17. dante@sisna.com macrumors 6502a

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    Maybe in battery life, but the processor comparison of the two is nearly identical.

    No breakfast being "served" at a 3 to 5% difference.
     
  18. PDE macrumors 68020

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    That was my impression too - my sensitive and scientifically very accurate fingers felt that the latest MBPs are much cooler than the previous ones. Seriously, they did not feel at all hot in the store and that is in contrast with the previous generation which definitely was felt hot.
     
  19. alfogator macrumors member

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    What the reviewer meant, by reading the text, is that these specific models offer innovation that is due to Intel's innovation: the new macbook pro is mostly identical to the previous model but for the processor. I guess Anand doesn't consider the new touchpad and the revised keyboard layout anything major.

    You made a fine point in your post but I suspect you read his words more than he meant.
     
  20. Stridder44 macrumors 68040

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    Ok then smart guy go into an Apple store and try it out for yourself since you don't believe me. There is a big difference.

    Try 10%+, and SSE4 is up to 40% (not implemented much yet but I will bet you money it will be - seeing as all new Macs are getting a cpu with SSE4).

    Stop try to validate yourselves because you didn't have the patience to wait and bought a previous model.
     

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