And here we go with the music app failures

Discussion in 'iOS 8' started by John6Plus, Mar 9, 2015.

  1. John6Plus macrumors 6502

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    Just got 8.2 installed, and surprise surprise the music app is now MORE broken than it was before. Not only is it still the most idiotic "hierarchy" ever for artists->albums, but my workaround for that is now just plain broken.

    I make great use of the "sort as" option for album name, making everything sort as "Artist Year" so that I have my list of albums in a useable order. (Really, who orders their CD's by the name of the ALBUM, anyone in history, ever?)

    A large portion of those "sort as tags" are now being ignored. Not all of them, so now it's really impossible to find stuff. This might get fixed when I sync or reboot, but come on, man.
     
  2. mjschabow macrumors 65816

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    Hmm...that's concerning. The only band I sort by year is U2 because I have so many of their live recordings in my library. Hopefully it's fixed soon.
     
  3. John6Plus thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I'm hoping I'm overreacting and it'll be fixed when I re-sync (rebooting the iPhone didn't help). All the tags come from iTunes. I hope I don't have to remove all my music then put it all back on. That takes a long time.

    I have hope because some of the tags are clearly still being used, so hopefully it's just some indexing that got all fubar when I updated.
     
  4. Dan70 macrumors regular

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    Is this sarcasm? I've thought the music app improved from 6, to 7 and then on 8 it was very good. Am I in the 1% group of people who actually like it?
     
  5. loanhighknight macrumors member

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    Can you calmly and rationally explain what your issue is?

    I just updated to 8.2 and, under an individual artist, Music appears to group songs into albums, with the albums sorted by their release date (most recent first). Songs under each album are sorted by track. That seems reasonable to me. Can you explain how you'd prefer it to be ordered?
     
  6. John6Plus thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Well, the "Artist" sorting silliness was what makes the current issue important to me. I'm syncing with iTunes right now, and it's taking longer than usual, so I hope it's sorting it out. But what happened is that I use the album field's "sort as" field for all of my albums, putting [Artist Name][Release Year] as the sorting criteria, making my one big giant list of albums ordered the way I want (it also orders the album cover view that way). Immediately after updating to 8.2, my albums were no longer in the correct order.

    Now, as to what's wrong with the "Artist" section that the music app currently uses, well, it's asinine. Yes, you select an artist, then it sorts the albums by most recent first, but it also just lists all the songs, so if you have 20 albums by one artist, the last 10 of which are 25 track live albums, it can take a while to scroll all the way down to their genre defining debut album.

    That by itself is highly irritating, but that's not the worst part.

    What makes it completely unusable for my listening style is this: it will play the rest of the list of tracks IN ITS ENTIRETY from wherever I play the first song. I like it when my selected album ends when I'm done listening. I have playlists that I use for shuffling songs and doing "best of" collections; for albums, I want to play the album and that's it.

    It has the easiest solution in the world: look at their "Artist" section from iOS 6's music app. You select an artist, you see a list of their albums (with artwork, that's cool, I like artwork) and then you select the album.

    To some this might seem like serious nitpicking, but consider this: my first Apple product was the original iPod Nano. It sorted albums this way. So did the subsequent iPods and iOS devices up until iOS 7. Back in the day, the selection of MP3 players (and even software - and I include the Xbox's still horrible media player) was a mishmash of varying bad experiences. Everybody either did it the way Apple now does it or, for whatever reason, simply repeated your selection until you told it to stop.

    I want them to act like CD's and records did before them. Play multiple if I explicitly set it up that way, otherwise stop assuming you know what I want to listen to next.

    Yeah, you can tell this has been a pet peeve of mine for a while.

    Update
    Syncing with iTunes fixed my main issue, but for some reason my artist list is now out of order (i.e. "A.C. Newman" is now at the top, whereas the "sort as" field should put him in the N's - but since I don't use artist mode, it's not a big deal to me, it'll probably piss off someone else).

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    It all depends on how you use the app. I still like it in a lot of ways, but the inexplicable change to the way Artist lists are handled (see above) just flabbers my gaster to no end.
     
  7. JPM42 macrumors 6502

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    That would be me. I sort my artists by last name and this update botched it. What's particularly bad is that it's inconsistent: certain artists are still sorted by last name, but some just aren't, no matter what I do. Well, there is one solution: if I change the artist name itself (i.e. John Lennon to Johnny Lennon), then it'll sort by last name. Of course, that's not a feasible solution.

    While I share your frustrations over the design issues in the music app, what's far more frustrating to me is the instability. Apple can't seemingly touch this app without screwing up something and, go figure, this update was supposed to fix stability issues with the Music app. Beyond frustrating. Nonetheless, I filed a Radar right now, and I'd encourage anyone else afflicted by these music app bugs to do the same. That's the only way to get their attention.
     
  8. rorschach macrumors 68020

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    I completely agree. This is definitely my number one pet peeve with the iOS 7/8 Music app. I want to be able to drill down to the Artist, then select an album.

    In iOS 6, this was possible. And on top of that, in list of albums under a specific artist, there was also an “All Songs” option at the top that would show you all the songs from that artist. You had a choice: pick a specific album or show songs from all their albums.

    My other peeve is the wasting of space in the new Music app. Compare:

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    The old Music app showed almost twice as many artists on a single screen — and that’s on a smaller screen.
     
  9. IronWaffle, Mar 11, 2015
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    IronWaffle macrumors 6502

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    Will they ever sort out the "Sort" feature?

    Since updating to 8.2, a few artists are no longer sorted properly. I've double checked the sort tags, I've removed the songs from the device -- I've even removed ALL songs from the device and re-added them. I've removed then re-added the Last,First sort tags then re-synced. Nada. It even affects the listings in Ecoute, the app I actually use so I don't have to wrestle with the stock Music app.

    There's no rhyme or reason for the inconsistency, though it seems to mostly affect a small handful of artists I listen to most, whether they have just six songs or 400 on my device.

    Add this to the bizarre "chronological choice" of sorting albums reverse chronologically. At least they could use the editable date field. As it is, there are a few albums where I have two versions (e.g., one Mono and one Stereo) and one will be sorted by the 2010 copyright date and the other the original 1965. I can't edit the files, of course, so if I relied on the Music app instead of an alternative (like Ecoute) I'd never find anything without the search feature.

    I don't understand why Apple doesn't have a couple toggle switches in Settings->Music for us to, say, decide how we want to sort or whether we want to see thumbnails when browsing the Artist->Album view. Bury it deep enough so that the casual user isn't confused by the functionality; I'd be glad to hunt for that ONE time when setting up rather than EVERY time when using my device.


    Much as I prefer my iPhone 6 overall, I prefer using my iPod Touch 5g (stubbornly on iOS 6) for media playing. Music, Podcasts (with smart playlists), Audiobooks all neatly in one place -- with very few bugs. Too bad they eventually stripped the ability to download podcasts in the Music app.
     
  10. Jessica Lares macrumors G3

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    The reverse chronologically annoys me greatly. Makes sense when you want to listen to an album you just downloaded though.
     
  11. Caseynd macrumors regular

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    yeah, there are a lot of annoying things with iTunes, it just makes me wish you weren't locked into it
     
  12. IronWaffle macrumors 6502

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    And here we go with the music app failures

    I assume it's because they're trying to make it more "convenient" for people who are buying recent hits and not much else.

    In addition to the Sorting bug report I just sent my quarterly "feedback" with a three bullet request to allow us to choose whether it's alphabetical, chronological, or reverse chronological – as well as allowing us to toggle off the artist thumbnail in the artist->album view. It'll get nothing done but it's better than doing nothing.

    Hopefully, I can figure way to get Bob Marley and Ziggy Marley next which other again in my collection. So sad to see family separated by so many letters… I doubt I'll be able to fix that or the other 25 glaring inconsistencies in the music app.
     
  13. bushido Suspended

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    everytime i open the music app and see that the damn thing jumped back to "A" on Artist view i want to throw my iphone against the wall.
     

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