Android has replaced Apple as innovators..

Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by GKDAIR, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. GKDAIR macrumors regular

    Oct 4, 2011
    All of this is my opinion of course.

    So I'm getting my Nexus 7 tomorrow, and I've been pretty much surrounded myself with Android material over the past few days, so when I get this system, I know exactly what it can do and exactly what to expect out of it.

    It still amazes me that Apple is just now starting to do things that Android has had access to for years now. I had an android phone back in 2010 and it was doing stuff that IOS7 is just now starting to allow. Sadly the actual phone was pretty crappy, and didn't last long.

    I largely believe that Apple has been playing it extremely safe ever since Steve Jobs died. The Ipad Mini kinda showed me that Apple doesn't really know what to do anymore. Steve would have never allowed that product to even go past the drawing board. If you like an Ipad Mini, that's fine, but as of now there are VASTLY better options for the 7" market.

    People are growing stale of IOS, hell IOS7 is the largest change we've ever seen to the platform since IOS came out. I cannot tell you how many people I know who've owned iphones, that now own Galaxies or other devices. There just grew bored of IOS, but here's the issue. Android allows people to do so much more than IOS does, and people stick with Android because of that.

    Even my mother now wants an Android device because of how much they can do and how much her iphone (4S) can't do.

    The Galaxy Active is especially appealing to us since we live on an island and constantly go to the beach.

    Anywho, my point of all of this is that Apple is simply doing nothing more than catching up to Android at this point, because they are losing customers like crazy. Apple needs a serious game changer, they need someone to throw out the rulebook, and Tim Cook is too busy reading every line of it.

    Is IOS a bad platform? Hell no. Is it a stale platform? Yes.
  2. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    And how has ANDROID innovated? I see that you are really liking the S4 Active (though a ruggedized phone is hardly new), but even that says nothing about ANDROID. Also, Apple keeps selling more and more phones every year. They're not losing customers, they're just not gaining them fast enough.

    Android is great and all, but I'd hardly call it innovative.
  3. OceanView macrumors 65816

    Sep 16, 2005
    I pretty much realized what you are saying a few years ago and made the switch to Android and am pretty happy with the move.

    At this point, I'm not sure if Apple can win me back. It's definitely gonna take more than what's coming in the next iPhone 5S.
  4. GKDAIR thread starter macrumors regular

    Oct 4, 2011

    I hope I'll be happy, but moving over to a new platform can be a bit of a culture shock.

    When I first got my macbook air it took me literally months to get use to everything and how the system works.


    You want me to sit here and list every innovation Android has ever done?

    That's like me listing every innovation Apple has done.

    The S4 Active is hardly innovative, but having the option to chose a more rugged phone is better than having to only pick from 1 phone at least. I can't tell you how many phones get screwed up down here.
  5. OceanView macrumors 65816

    Sep 16, 2005

    It won't take that long.
    I think it took me about a week to fully understand Android.
    My wife who is not technical at all converted and pretty much caught on within a few weeks.
    It is a bit of an unknown at the start but once you get use to it, you will be happier with it.

    Good luck and welcome to thinking different! LOL
  6. DGPMaluco macrumors regular

    Nov 16, 2012
    I don't get the iPad mini part... It has a better size than 7'' tablets! You will be struggling with zooming in and out on the nexus because not everything fits on the screen! Don't forget anndroid puts 3 buttons on the screen causing a small black bar to take away screen... Believe me my GF has a nexus 7 (1St edition) and I'm constantly zooming.. The iPad mini was a successful product I can't wait to get a mini 2 if it comes with retina.. Even if it doesn't for the price I really am falling in love with it!
  7. twintin macrumors 6502

    Aug 10, 2012
    Then how about naming one great Android innovation the rest of us may have missed ?
  8. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    If you're going to say Android is the only ones innovating NOW, how about you list the things that make them MORE INNOVATIVE THAN iOS?

    Also, yes, choice is good. Are we now saying Windows is more innovative than OS X on the basis that I have more choice for a Windows computer than an OS X computer?
  9. GKDAIR thread starter macrumors regular

    Oct 4, 2011
    As of now the Ipad Mini is a waste, wait till an upgrade.

    The screen was bad even before things like the Kindle Fire HD and Nexus 7 got here, but now it's just awful.

    Hopefully Apple adds Retina, if they didn't, it would be extremely foolish.

    Choice has nothing to do with Innovation. I prefer OS X over Windows by a mile, but that doesn't mean I think OS X is more innovative.

    Choosing Android/IOS over IOS/Android has nothing to do with which Platform is more innovative.

    With IOS 7, IOS is adding a lot of things that Android platforms have had for years, and 4.3 Jelly Bean isn't a huge leap forward, we won't see that until Key Lime Pie, and I have no clue what will be on that.

    One important one that I think is overlooked is the LED light on Android. Without even checking my device, I can see if I have a missed call, text, email, or download. You can't do that on IOS.

    That's a small thing that's actually pretty nifty. Also Widgets. I could write paragraphs over how important widgets are.

    But anyway, I'm not going to sit here and list every innovation ever for both Android and IOS, there are a ton for each system.
  10. T5BRICK macrumors G3


    Aug 3, 2006
    Google has been innovating for a while now. Here are a few features that Google beat Apple to.

    • Multitasking
    • Drop-down notification
    • Customizable wallpapers
    • Over the air updates

    And for me, being able to choose different keyboards is a HUGE benefit.
  11. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    Google has been innovating by taking features that already existed? Interesting.
  12. JackieInCo Suspended

    Jul 18, 2013
    I don't agree. I use and prefer my iPad Mini over my Nexus 7 any day. I still use my Nexus 7 and take it with me to work but I only take it with me because if don't want to risk breaking my iPad.

    The display is very good on the Mini and the apps are often better on the Mini and it has actual tablet apps where as the same apps on my Nexus 7 are just scaled up phone apps.

    I'll get the next mini long before I consider getting the new N7.
  13. Jessica Lares macrumors G3

    Jessica Lares

    Oct 31, 2009
    Near Dallas, Texas, USA
    Most of the reasons why Android is "innovative" is because it has a good amount of people that can go in and make the stuff you're wanting it to do. Google doesn't make it innovative, and neither does Samsung. The S-Pen is not innovative, it is a new approach to using a stylus with your device, taking the things that people liked about the old Palm Pilot/Newton/Windows Mobile stylus and putting it to use in today's technology.
  14. gotluck macrumors 603


    Dec 8, 2011
    East Central Florida
    access to the file system out of the box :D
  15. Jibbajabba macrumors 65816

    Aug 13, 2011
  16. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012

    It now means taking existing features and putting them on your device.
  17. Dontazemebro macrumors 68020


    Jul 23, 2010
    I dunno, somewhere in West Texas
    Seems like a few of you don't know what the word innovation means.

    Google glasses, now that's innovation.
  18. onthecouchagain macrumors 604


    Mar 29, 2011
    I think innovating is the wrong word here.

    I could see a case being made for Google Now, maybe.
  19. Fireblade macrumors 65816


    Jan 25, 2011
    A PERFECT description of Apple, maybe the best I've ever heard.
  20. F123D macrumors 68040


    Sep 16, 2008
    Del Mar, CA
    Funny. Exactly what I thought.
  21. T5BRICK, Aug 20, 2013
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2013

    T5BRICK macrumors G3


    Aug 3, 2006
    Features that weren't available on smartphones until that point...

    *edit* But I guess when Apple copies those features they don't claim it is innovation, they just call it "Magical" or something along those lines.
  22. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    Windows Mobile was a smartphone.

    It had a lot of those features.

    Also, when did I say iOS was innovative? The last time Apple innovated on the iPhone was probably when they invented the iPhone.
  23. Savor Suspended


    Jun 18, 2010
    Apple's innovation died the moment SJ left us. Oracle's CEO was right.

    We all saw Apple with SJ. *points to the sky*

    We all saw Apple without SJ. *points down*

    We all saw Apple with SJ again. *points up*

    We are now seeing Apple without SJ again. *points down*

    Apple's last innovative year was 2010. That was when iPad 1 and iPhone 4 were released.

    Post-SJ's death, and we have seen the same static icons and a bunch of rehashes for all Apple products including Macs. Apple's keynotes are no longer exciting or as anticipated. I'm actually looking forward more to Key Lime Pie's announcement than anything Apple will announce next month.

    Android was not up to par with iOS from 2008-2011.

    Then by the time Jelly Bean 4.1 with Project Butter was released, Android surpassed iOS when it came to polish.

    The reason Android never gets boring is because we have choice. iOS is just uniformed. Like someone feeling comfortable wearing the same clothes over and over like the late-SJ's black turtlenecks and jeans.
  24. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    Yeah, SJ would have never let... I forget, how was it that SJ made all the decisions despite having a large group of talented people? Wait, no, I'm sure SJ just told them what to do and they did it. Jony Ives? He just did what SJ told him to do.

    Heck, there might as well have just been SJ and coders. Nobody else had any creative input and deserve none of the credit for anything that happened while he was around.

  25. Savor Suspended


    Jun 18, 2010

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