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Because version 2 is about 9 months away. If you wait a month or two, you lose a huge percentage of your time having the best watch. And getting it earlier is all about bragging rights.

You didn't think any of this was what the watch will do for the user's life, did you?

Wait 9 months for the next one then. Gen 1 products are always half the product of Gen 2.

If you think that "bragging rights" is something that will improve the user's life, you need to take a step back and review your own life.
 
Apple should have made it so easy with the SKUs, but they complicated all this SKUs for maximum profit (thats what corporation should do), but they sacrificed user experienced.

All they have to do is this.

1. Apple Watch Sport comes default with Black fluoroelastomer
2. Apple Watch with black leather (paying premium for this anyways)
3. Apple Watch Edition with black leather.

Then buy all the color combination as extra bands.. so anyone can walk into the store and buy a watch, and get the experience of having whole watch with bands, but same time, can upsell on bands.

Sounds like a good idea, but some (like myself) would complain about the premium cost for a leather band in a color they don't want. I though about changing my order to the SS with sports band to get a better shipping date, but have decided to wait to get what I want or I might wait even longer to get the band I want which is currently marked unavailable.
 
Madnesss!!!

Yes! Such madness!!! We had to log in at the date and time provided to everyone and click a button! What is this sorcery?!?!? :rolleyes:

I am happy to be receiving my watch on Friday, as outlined by apple weeks in advance.

"blunder of a launch"

Ridiculous.


saving face for such a blunder of a launch.

We didn't mind the lines, we didn't mind the low supply, it was at least consistent and we knew what to expect. This? This is madness.
 
You clearly haven't read this thread before you posted that. :rolleyes: Secondly, when I originally posted that I was being sarcastic. It's macrumors and it never fails that when a woman or minority is in a powerful position at Apple people automatically target them. People here pretend to know what is going on at Apple when they don't know anything but they are happy to pile on anyway.

a /s ;) :p might serve you well. The post I replied to gave no indication of sarcasm. No I don't re-read the entire thread before commenting. This thread is up to 16 pages.

No one has ever been on the no target list on from the MacRumors community. Carl Ichan, Steve, Scott Forstall have all taken flak for many things. Why do you treat Angela's flak any different. Is it because she is a woman and we are supposed to treat her differently than the men?

Equal treatment doesn't seem to be tolerated. Seems like were supposed to have some soft touch or majority guilt. You know, the check your privilege stuff. I think were supposed to nod, clap and say "good job" Angela as we drive off the cliff.

Is that right? Is that what is expected? The free pass? :rolleyes:
 
I'm liking this new approachable apple. I don't have an issue with Angela but yet some people are acting like she murdered their new kitten.

At the end of the day it's just a computer and if you have issues with her vote with your wallet because a tiny pebble in the sea being this forum isn't going to do a thing.

I'm glad there has not been a portmanteau of launchgate or something to that effect. Meanwhile the world continues and the sky is blue

Great post! You've managed to put things into perspective without bringing up starving children and getting everyone's back up.
 
a /s ;) :p might serve you well. The post I replied to gave no indication of sarcasm. No I don't re-read the entire thread before commenting. This thread is up to 16 pages.

No one has ever been on the no target list on from the MacRumors community. Carl Ichan, Steve, Scott Forstall have all taken flak for many things. Why do you treat Angela's flak any different. Is it because she is a woman and we are supposed to treat her differently than the men?

Equal treatment doesn't seem to be tolerated. Seems like were supposed to have some soft touch or majority guilt. You know, the check your privilege stuff. I think were supposed to nod, clap and say "good job" Angela as we drive off the cliff.

Is that right? Is that what is expected? The free pass? :rolleyes:
Which is why you follow the thread for a bit to get a full context especially when you are just coming in on the conversation 300+ messages in. :confused:

Secondly, I'm not treating anyone differently. I don't know what was going on with Scott Forstall. I don't pretend to. I'm not an Apple employee at any capacity. There was probably more to Scotts firing than simply a maps issue is my guess. Steve Jobs chose Tim Cook and not Scott Forstall to be CEO of Apple for a reason. Carl Ichan doesn't work for Apple....and Apple ultimately took Carl's suggestions and implemented them successfully. So.... ;)
 
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The late shipments and lack of supply together with the horrible Apple Watch launch is proof positive that Apple couldn't manage a phonebooth with a hand full of quarters. How many times have we heard '...exceeded our wildest expectations' or 'overwhelmingly positive response', etc.. In my opinion, the Watch and new MacBook were never ready for shipment and yet Apple played us for suckers.

Apple Customer since 1984 ~
 
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I stopped by my local Apple Store to check out the 12" rMB two days ago (the keyboard is much better than I expected). They had the iWatch displays on the floor. Not a single person was looking at them or asking any questions of the employees standing around the tables. The rest of the store looked perfectly normal, plenty of people at the Mac, iPad, etc. stations.
 
I stopped by my local Apple Store to check out the 12" rMB two days ago (the keyboard is much better than I expected). They had the iWatch displays on the floor. Not a single person was looking at them or asking any questions of the employees standing around the tables. The rest of the store looked perfectly normal, plenty of people at the Mac, iPad, etc. stations.

So I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't have the least bit of interest in Apple Watch!

Let me put it this way:

If I desire a classy expensive watch, I'd go for a Hublot, Patek Phillippe, Rolex, Audemars Piguet etc. Not a gold Apple Watch.

If I was after a watch with technology, I'd go for Casio, Seiko, Garmin whatever.

Apple watch will be a flop after the first hoopla and curiosity is over.
 
Yes! Such madness!!! We had to log in at the date and time provided to everyone and click a button! What is this sorcery?!?!? :rolleyes:

I am happy to be receiving my watch on Friday, as outlined by apple weeks in advance.

"blunder of a launch"

Ridiculous.

Well I'm glad you know yours is coming Friday. While the rest of us still wait for our cards to even process.

I feel that they could have done better. If she's needing to make a video to employees due to the overwhelming customer questions and reaction, apple did something wrong.
 
I stopped by my local Apple Store to check out the 12" rMB two days ago (the keyboard is much better than I expected). They had the iWatch displays on the floor. Not a single person was looking at them or asking any questions of the employees standing around the tables. The rest of the store looked perfectly normal, plenty of people at the Mac, iPad, etc. stations.

Many times when I've stopped at my local Apple store the iPhone tables were basically dead. Maybe one or two people playing around with them. Should I read into that that iPhone isn't popular?
 
This is the first time posting on MacRumors although I follow the news blog and forum religiously every day for the past few months. And usually I just quietly read and observe without passing judgment but some comments (not all) provoked my self-righteousness enough to register for an account and write a comment.

Honestly, although the original poster may not consciously be thinking it, the comments about how she looks or "Apple hired her just because she's a female" ARE sexist. I don't see anyone commenting on how Tim Cook looks when he gives his presentations or that he's in Apple "because he's a male". If you read up on Ahrendt's history, you'll know she took Burberry's company value from $2 billion to $7 billion in 8 years. I can't speak for everyone on this forum but I definitely cannot make even half of that working for 80 years. Not to mention revamping Burberry's whole brand image to becoming relevant again, as some forum members have mentioned. So, it's not because she's a woman, it's because she delivers damn good results, that Apple hired her... and any of their employees I'm sure.

Honestly, I'm in the camp of "Since it seems like you have a lot of great ideas on how to launch a product that has failed for every other company, please march up to 1 Infinite Loop and tell them how it's supposed to be done." Of course, it doesn't mean we can't criticise their actions, but I hope we all keep in mind the quality of people working at Apple. I think completely denouncing Apple's actions without consideration for how much the people there have worked to develop, market, and launch this product is just really immature and disrespectful.

Which brings me to another point... I'm sure many of us in this forum are successful, working adults, actively contributing to society. However, very often, I feel many of the forum members' comments do not reflect that reality. It's a shame because I think we're all here because we have a deep interest for a really great and innovative company (I will not dispute this statement). I understand some of the complaints and disdainful comments stem from a hope for Apple to be even better. I think many parents do this to their children, too. Fortunately, Apple is not our child and does not live to seek our approval. Despite what we say, they will do what they do, and honestly, that's the reason why I love Apple.

Honestly, I'm really grateful for everything Apple has done, is doing and will do. I enjoy reading some of the comments on here because they are very insightful. At the same time, I hope since it's a Mac Forum, the members would show more love for the company. But I guess this negative criticism is what happens when a chat forum about a company is mostly male (totally my assumption and I realise the irony in my gender-based comment, but I stand by it.) (^^)v

You really think that the negative comments have no place in a loving relationship? Sometimes love is tough, and the ones that really love you are the ones that share the truth with you and are willing to say the things others are scared to say.

Yes, the irony in your gender based comment is shocking. Seriously dude?
 
It's clear that a lot of people on here don't have a clue. If they were in her position (let's be honest, it wouldn't have been her choice anyway), they would have rolled out the small amount of watches, maybe 50 per store and then listen to the backlash of customer 51 to 100 who waited outside for 5 hours just to buy one, not mention the people who work who couldn't wait outside the store to hope to get one. Yeah, that's gonna endear the customers to the brand :roll eyes:

This way, everyone had a chance of ordering, they didn't have to wait outside a store for hours, they know for sure if they are getting one and when they'll get it.

It seems the mistake was announcing the 24th as "launch date" when clearly there are supply constraints. Perhaps Apple should have announced online orders and try-one starting the 10th and then in stores at a later date once they had a better grasp on supply/demand and people's preferences. Of course this is with hindsight being 20/20. :)

Yesterday Matthew Panzarino from Tech Crunch said he's heard that sales (and orders from Apple) are higher than the estimates that have been reported. So maybe it's as simple as Apple got slammed with a lot more orders than they expected and now they're frantically trying to catch up. With iPhone it's a lot easier because you have years of sales history to go off of. There's none of that with the Watch.
 
Which is why you follow the thread for a bit to get a full context especially when you are just coming in on the conversation 300+ messages in. :confused:

Secondly, I'm not treating anyone differently. I don't know what was going on with Scott Forstall. I don't pretend to. I'm not an Apple employee at any capacity. There was probably more to Scotts firing than simply a maps issue is my guess. Steve Jobs chose Tim Cook and not Scott Forstall to be CEO of Apple for a reason. Carl Ichan doesn't work for Apple....and Apple ultimately took Carl's suggestions and implemented them successfully. So.... ;)

I was in at page 3. Not just coming in, I was coming back to. I read your previous posts. I don't detect the sarcasm, but if you say that's what it was then ok.

We criticized all of those poeple and not a one of the ones I listed are minority or female.

So I still have the question open. Are we expected to treat women or minorities with a special soft touch or can we engage in equal praise/criticism based on actions/merit?
 
Am I the only one wondering why they don't ship the watch separately from the bands?

A watch without a band is not particularly useable out of the box, nor a band without a watch. I can understand Apple marketing not wanting customers to have to assemble the product themselves from a rack of "band not included" and "watch not included" boxes; feasible for some of us, yes, but serious sales friction for a LOT of customers. For a company that makes the effort to at least half-charge mobile devices for usability immediately upon unboxing, selling a watch without a band would be like selling a notebook computer without a required external power supply.
 
You really think that the negative comments have no place in a loving relationship? Sometimes love is tough, and the ones that really love you are the ones that share the truth with you and are willing to say the things others are scared to say.

Yes, the irony in your gender based comment is shocking. Seriously dude?

Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, I'm not a dude... But maybe I've been away from the States long enough that "dude" has turned into an androgynous word. Lol.

I've participated in forums where females are the majority ( actually, more like 100% ) and let me tell you, the negativity is nowhere as bad as the most positive comments here. Even when the product that we love has some defects, we still focus on why we love it, not why it sucks. Of course I can't speak for all females but almost all of the women I know tend to focus on positive aspects of things.

I agree with you that constructive criticism in relationships are great and definitely necessary for growth, but some of the comments on this forum are not constructive at all and just plain mean.

Sighs. I knew I should have kept my "female" opinion to myself instead of posting on such a hostile forum. Seriously, no love here.

Anyway, thank you again for your comment.
 
I was in at page 3. Not just coming in, I was coming back to. I read your previous posts. I don't detect the sarcasm, but if you say that's what it was then ok.

We criticized all of those poeple and not a one of the ones I listed are minority or female.

So I still have the question open. Are we expected to treat women or minorities with a special soft touch or can we engage in equal praise/criticism based on actions/merit?
I expect you to give equal criticism. I'm a big boy I don't always need to be praised.

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...lots are failing QA so I hear.

Of course there is. I'm sure Apple is working very hard to rectify the production issues.
 
So I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't have the least bit of interest in Apple Watch!

Let me put it this way:

If I desire a classy expensive watch, I'd go for a Hublot, Patek Phillippe, Rolex, Audemars Piguet etc. Not a gold Apple Watch.

If I was after a watch with technology, I'd go for Casio, Seiko, Garmin whatever.

Apple watch will be a flop after the first hoopla and curiosity is over.

The $17000 watch is as much a margin grab as an occasion to make the $400 dollar entry price look reasonable. Remember the Samsung Gear S retails at $300 has more expensive internals, so Apple is re framing, as they do, to make this thing seem better.

And what's the point of going to look at the watches in the stores? You have to talk to one of the store staff, and they don't have any in stock to buy. All pain, no gain.

All of my stuff at work is end of cycle - I want to shift fully to Apple, but I'm looking at $4K to replace my 2012 rMBP and Galaxy S3 and on the Apple side, there's nothing tipping me over. A rMBA would tip me over. A iPhone with a better battery would tip me over (an why samsung in the first place). And a compelling watch (i.e. available) would probably tip me into the ecosystem. Hell, even an updated thunderbolt display at a matching resolution matching my rMBP would tip me over, and I'd buy two of them, but that hasn't been updated in more than 4 years. Or even one that had a matching design to the new 5K mac. I mean, it's not like any of these products aren't ridiculously obvious to everyone - and instead we get margin gouging on 2012 tech or non-unified products.

And last thing, obviously iCloud is dragging everyone into it, which I get, but the product side looks like a balkanized mess.

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Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, I'm not a dude... But maybe I've been away from the States long enough that "dude" has turned into an androgynous word. Lol.

I've participated in forums where females are the majority ( actually, more like 100% ) and let me tell you, the negativity is nowhere as bad as the most positive comments here. Even when the product that we love has some defects, we still focus on why we love it, not why it sucks. Of course I can't speak for all females but almost all of the women I know tend to focus on positive aspects of things.

I agree with you that constructive criticism in relationships are great and definitely necessary for growth, but some of the comments on this forum are not constructive at all and just plain mean.

Sighs. I knew I should have kept my "female" opinion to myself instead of posting on such a hostile forum. Seriously, no love here.

Anyway, thank you again for your comment.

Is the goal of your comments the desire to receive love?

Regardless, I can't speak for anyone else, but I I feel everyone should feel free to contribute whether you get props or criticism. Criticism doesn't mean you're in timeout. We have a diversity of opinions here. Embrace it and contribute. We're not a gathering of head nodding yes people. You get opinions and points of view here. Real diversity. :)
 
Oh people , please... Not the gender thing again, it's been discussed to death in the other thread about the aWatch delivery times.

Angela A. is a grown-up adult that handled big companies before, not a sensitive little child. Therefore she can be criticized on her actions as harshly (or as softly) as anyone else at Apple.
 
I was one of those people who were seriously disappointed and frustrated with the launch of the new Retina Macbook. I actually set my alarm to wake up at 3am EST just to order it. It was supposed to be a surprise gift for my fiancee who had her 6 year old Macbook Unibody (the old white one) stolen a month ago.. and has been struggling trying to make it day-to-day without her computer. I woke up on time for the order, logged in and saw that the quoted ship times were 1-3 business days, meaning she wouldn't get the rMB until the next week. As you can imagine I wanted her to have the computer as soon as possible and figured why wait another 5 or so days for something.. when I could just get it from store immediately that day. So I didn't bother with the order and instead set a reminder to be at the Georgetown store in Washington, DC when they opened at 10am. After all.. isn't the purpose of building a brick & mortar store.. to sell immediately to customers who are ready to buy?

I've purchased my iPhone5 on launch day at the exact same store. And even then, I only waited about an hour. I was absolutely confident that they would have more than enough rMB's on hand to satisfy the rather small number of people who were willing to pay $1299-1599 for a Core-M processor notebook with a single port for charging & connectivity. Needless to say I was absolutely shocked when I told by a store employee that they had none in stock. It became even more ridiculous, when the brick & mortar store offered to assist me with ordering online for delivery. At this point I was no longer disappointed, but more irritated I had made the trip only to end up empty handed. Of course I still wanted the rMB so I did order right at the store around 10:20am.. only to find see that shipping times had now been pushed back by 3-4 weeks!! Great after the complete waste of time.. I now had to wait another month for delivery. I actually called my fiancee and ruined the surprise.. I asked her if she felt the wait was worth the time or if I should just get her a Macbook Air or Pro that actually in-stock at the B&M store.

Good news is that I did get the chance to actually play around with the new rMB and as expected pictures & blog reviews do not do it justice. Its a beautiful machine, thats unbelievably thin & light.. (and this is coming from someone who who has owned a Macbook Air for the past four years). I was also able to sample the watch on its "launch" day, which was a surprise as well. Up until that point I thought all smartwatches were gimmicks and didn't see the need to wear a watch, that was really only useful for duplicating notifications from my phone. But actually using the watch.. I'm sold. Just not sure about buying version 1.0.

Leaving the store there was still this odd, awkward & very un-Apple like bitterness about the entire experience. The launch of both of these products was extremely confusing and disappointing for so many Apple customers. I wasn't the only one at the store who expected to buy the rMB that day, quite a few people complaining that it was not available to the degree that a manager came over to explain why. I still cant help but wonder why Apple did not inform customers that new computer would NOT be available in stores on launch day. And more importantly whats the purpose of spending billions to build up the Apple store experience, only to push unsuspecting customers back to ordering from the website.

Now that I think about it.. it wasn't much of launch day at all.. because nothing was launched. No customer went home with an rMB or Apple watch. In reality, it was a "preorder" day. And if this is the method of operation going forward.. then Apple needs to do a better job communicating with customers that on what used to be "launch" day.. the store is only for trials & questions. As others have suggested. This backwards thinking never would have happened up Steve Job's watch. If there's anything that SJ nailed.. was getting the little things right and paying much attention to detail and the customer's experience from purchase to technical support.
 
You're a bit of an optimist! She certainly hasn't improved much since her days at Burberry. I don't hold it against her, but she is where she is principally because she's female.

Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs, but he is not an idiot. He certainly won't put someone in such a high position just "because she is female". He chose her because he thought she was the person most fit for that job. Whether he was right or not, and whether she is responsible in part or totally for this controversial launch is another issue.
 
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