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This is insane! looks the size of the 5w

Anker makes great stuff and I keep hearing amazing things about this

portability aside, is this 'healthier' for a battery fast charging than an old, now deprecated 29w apple charger (came with 12" MB's too I think)?

I think I might pick one up just cause the sleekness but I have 4x 29w I got on clearance forever ago from Walmart and been using them ever since, for a few years now.

talking mostly for usb-c to lightning

presumably this is the one to get for MagSafe, since I think 29w only does like 13w or something whereas this should give the full 15w on MagSafe
 
Looks like it should also work with the MagSafe. It says it’s got the 9V@2.2 profile.


this was Aukey, not anker. but getting good reviews too. complicated now with all these 20w cubes that are out there.

haha
 
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this was Aukey, not anker. but getting good reviews too. complicated now with all these 20w cubes that are out there.

haha
This one that you posted.
The Aukey Omnia.
USB-C Output: 5V 3A / 9V 2.22A (20W Power Delivery 3.0) | 5V 3A / 9V 2A / 12V 1.5A (18W Quick Charge 2.0)

Max Power Output: 20W
 
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This one that you posted.
The Aukey Omnia.

oh yeah. I put Anker in thread title but linked Aukey.

is Aukey the one to get?

now im confused which 3rd party 20w I would want... sounds like this one though?
 
No the Profile only needs 9V and more than 2 A to get the full 15 W charging speed. Bur keep in mind that MagSafe throttles pretty fast do reduce heat.
I’m not an expert but this article seems to suggest PD 3.0 is required.

 
In summary: What a mess.

No wonder Apple canned AirPower. They're struggling with delivering constant 15w due to heat. Imagine the hot plate that AirPower would've been...
 
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I’m not an expert but this article seems to suggest PD 3.0 is required.
No i dont think so because PD 3.0 enables dynamic voltage delivery (PPS) but the MagSafe puck needs 9V.
 
So Anker or Aukey or anything else then? These are both a lot smaller than Apple’s - right, but will work just as well?
 
So Anker or Aukey or anything else then? These are both a lot smaller than Apple’s - right, but will work just as well?
As long as it has a 9 V profile with more than 2.2 A it will work. Still the charging process never delivers the full 15 W output for a long time.
 
The 29W Apple adapter does not have all required PD profiles:

  • Apple 30W USB-C Power Adapter: 5V @ 3A, 9V @ 3A, 15V @ 2A, 20V @ 1.5A
  • Apple 29W USB-C Power Adapter: 5.2V @ 2.4A, 14.5V @ 2A
This means it has to fall back to 5V as the 9V mode is missing. It makes a difference in charging my iPad Pro and my XS Max and I suspect the Magsafe won't be able to achieve 15W.

I get great results with this 30W Anker charger Amazon. It supports all modes at a fraction of the size and cost (got it during prime day for about €14). Back then I paid €100 for both the 29W and 1.8m cable from Apple. :(

Also am very happy with the Anker cables.
 
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As long as it has a 9 V profile with more than 2.2 A it will work. Still the charging process never delivers the full 15 W output for a long time.
These seem to suggest that PD 3.0 is required:

With further testing, Zollo now says that some third-party chargers may work, but those chargers need to be PD 3.0 compatible with specific voltage and amperage output. MacRumors contributor Steve Moser has also shared some examples of power adapters that should theoretically charge the ‌iPhone‌ at the full 15W when used with the ‌MagSafe‌ Charger.



I don’t pretend to understand this, perhaps some who do could weigh in. I’d hate to see folks get the wrong charger if 3.0 is indeed required as this article and the one I posted above suggest to get the full 15 W.
 
I’m not an expert but this article seems to suggest PD 3.0 is required.

That article is likely right about PD 3.0 being required, but wrong about some other things. The article says that the "USB PD 3.0 spec was released in mid 2019," which is wrong. The USB PD 3.0 spec was released in December 2015, so many USB-C chargers available these days support USB PD 3.0. There was an updated version of the USB PD 3.0 spec (version 2.0) released in August 2019, but it's unclear if that version of PD 3.0 is required for MagSafe to reach its full speed, and it's clear the author of that article is not qualified to answer that question if they think USB PD 3.0 was released just last year. If you're curious or don't know whether or not you should trust me, you can download the USB PD spec and look at the revisions, versions, and release dates yourself: https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/USB Power Delivery 20200212.zip
 
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I think its all about an existing 9V profile which delivers more than 2.2 A. My Macbook 30 W Charger also achieves 20 W delivery to the puck.
 
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The 29W Apple adapter does not have all required PD profiles:

This means it has to fall back to 5V as the 9V mode is missing. It makes a difference in charging my iPad Pro and my XS Max and I suspect the Magsafe won't be able to achieve 15W.


Also am very happy with the Anker cables.

How much of a difference? That's interesting

I notice the Aukey I linked doesnt have 9v at 3a its 9v at 2.2a

would that be better than 29w for usb-c to lightning or comparable?

this stuff is all so confusing

and not being 'MFI' is that a problem? I know Switch needs mostly official or really rigorously tested usb-c chargers or it could fry the device but iirc it's because Switch uses a non-standard USB-C spec power delivery.
 
portability aside, is this 'healthier' for a battery fast charging than an old, now deprecated 29w apple charger (came with 12" MB's too I think)?
talking mostly for usb-c to lightning

presumably this is the one to get for MagSafe, since I think 29w only does like 13w or something whereas this should give the full 15w on MagSafe

The root of all the issues surrounding MagSafe and various power adapters is a disparity in matching capabilities resulting in compromised, limited compatibility.

MagSafe and iPhone 12 employ a new power level that only Apple's 20W and other PD 3.0 adapters can provide, to charge at maximum speed. If that last bit is not a concern, then an older non-PD 3.0 adapter would still work, in a limited fashion, at a stepped-down power level, which is what the various tests indicate.

Somewhat ironic, yes, that something like the 96W adapter has more than enough capacity to charge at 20W, but if it doesn't understand, or can't respond to the MagSafe in a way that the latter wants, then they have to play it safe, and go to a lower level compromise.

In summary: What a mess.

No wonder Apple canned AirPower. They're struggling with delivering constant 15w due to heat. Imagine the hot plate that AirPower would've been...

Don't conflate wireless charging, and the difficulty in AirPower's development, with a wired power conduit standard. They are two distinct and separate things.



The adoption of PPS for PD 3.0 allows for adjustments in both voltage and current, with fine granularity, which is what makes it an advancement over earlier specs. It also intelligently distributes power on multi-port adapters.

The new type of variable profiles (APDO) are much more flexible than the old fixed profiles (PDO) previous to 3.0.

To put it simply, the AI piece is correct in that adapters that conform to the newer PD 3.0 standard is what devices like the MagSafe and iPhone 12 require to operate at maximum power levels for the fastest charge.

While Apple, not unexpectedly, does not publicize the PD spec for their adapters, it's likely only the new 20W and revised 30W from August are PD 3.0. I haven't seen any tests of the '2020 30W to confirm, but its recent update without a change in capacity suggests it was updated in other respects.

The rest, including the 96W MBP 16" unit, and the original '2018 30W as well as the 29W, 61W, and 87W adapters, are not as likely to conform to 3.0.

Despite the 3.0 spec having been in the works for a few years, conforming products haven't started to hit the market until recently, and the new Apple products will help drive their adoption en masse.
 
PD3.0 with PPS is not necessary i think because we dont need an adjustable voltage. Current is always adjustable with older PD standards it draws what it needs but i have just read that with PPS it can controle the maximum current. Those standards and apples inability to just publish the requested standard is a mess. My Macbook Air 2020 PSU with 30 W and 9V 3 A works fine and delivers 20 W to the puck. It doesn’t have PD 3.0 or PPS i think.
 
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