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The concept has a lot of potential. Too bad the implementation was so juvenile. Im looking forward to seeing what else they can do with this technology.

WHAT? Oh come on ... that presentation didn't bring out the early 80's kid in you?! That was like having Spy Hunter and classic Fox RC cars rolled into one! I had one of those grand-daddy moments when i saw that and was like cool RC just got a boost into 2013 (and not just the flying RC toys).

Now if only they'd release that for BB10 ?? (PS: don't hate on my mobile platform of choice).
 
I don't think the real point was the toys... It was more about the future. Robotics and such would have incredible uses way beyond toys.

The real point was, "Hey, Google, you know those self-driving cars of yours? Suck on this!" That was the real point.
 
but I don't yet see how it is a foundation for anything grand.

It doesn't need to be grand. All it needs to be is ****ing RAD!

And there, it succeeds spectacularly.
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Toy cars which analyze their surroundings up to 500 times per second and then use that information to decide what to do next.

Don't see it as toy cars. They are autonomous, self-driving robotic vehicles operating in real-time.

At any given snapshot in time they need to know where they are (presumably using sensors to determine their relative position on the track, though it is possible they have access to the top-view camera for image processing -- I didn't catch the whole demo so I don't know). How far are they from the edges of the "road"? Are there any obstacles or other vehicles nearby? If so, which ones? Where will they be in the next snapshot if they continue their current velocity? Should they apply brakes? Accelerate? Steer left or right?

And that's just to maintain a course around the track. They demonstrated that each vehicle can also be given mission parameters. "Block that other car". Now they need to calculate even more than just what they are doing, they need to also sense the position of the other cars and calculate what they are doing, and then calculate a reactionary move to foil the opponent. Now they have multiple levels of operation -- level 1 is "survive" (e.g. don't crash or fall off the track), level 2 is "fulfill my mission".

Did I mention this was all happening 500 times per second?

And all being calculated on an iOS device?

Presumably one iOS device controls each vehicle. So there is a steady stream of chatter going back and forth over Bluetooth. The vehicle probably sends up telemetry about what it sees/senses, then the iOS app calculates what it thinks the car should do next, then sends a command back via Bluetooth.

Don't get me wrong, I did think it was impressive. They just didn't show the connection to iOS. It would have been nice to see the app they were using to send commands to the car, or anything at all.
 
Adult toys

Hmmm...my dirty mind think this will wonder of to sextoys in all shapes, sizes and forms.

Just pray there is no "malfunction" at the wrong moment:D

Ouch!:eek:
 
The point of this, for those that miss it, is that play like this is what leads to advancements. Self guided robots that can help the elderly and disabled, work in hospitals delivering and cleaning, do janitorial work in offices and factories, do dangerous work, fight wars, etc.

This. Only people of zero imagination and vision can't/won't see beyond the toys.
 
This. Only people of zero imagination and vision can't/won't see beyond the toys.

I agree.

But, as for the toys, I don't see them as a success. I can't see what fun there is in just watching robot cars do things, there's no direct personal involvement. No play as such. It's like watching someone else play a video-game; boring. I'm sticking to Hot Wheels.
 
I agree. Apple chose this company not only to exhibit how developers are utilizing the iOS environment, but also to hint at another interest of theirs...cars.

They have 150 billion in the bank...this wasn't about toys or video games.

Agree, except I think their interest is more in robotics, far more upside.
 
I agree.

But, as for the toys, I don't see them as a success. I can't see what fun there is in just watching robot cars do things, there's no direct personal involvement. No play as such. It's like watching someone else play a video-game; boring. I'm sticking to Hot Wheels.

I agree that I would not enjoy watching my toys play with each other for long but some people enjoy the process of determine what specs to use on the car to get the best performance and that seems to be what this game would be all about (outside of the future technology that will come from it).
 

Yes, exactly! This type of AI research is what will eventually lead to more intelligent robotics and AI systems like that on the USS Enterprise :D

You are missing the forest for the trees...

I understand his point though; while I get excited by theoretical AI research being proven in the real world (I did my Master's thesis on something very similar to what the Anki guys demo'd yesterday), if they are hoping to take this out of the science lab and into people's living room floors, as they proposed during the keynote, then they will have to deal with the real-world issues that come with it.

As a lot of the people in this thread appear to indicate, not everyone appreciates the theory behind the scenes; they see toy cars and they want to play with toy cars. Otherwise it's "boring". The same thing will happen if the toys are finicky or have poor battery life.

That said, I think I'd buy a set. If it's anything like what we saw in the demo, my thesis supervisor would love to see this in action.
 
I agree.

But, as for the toys, I don't see them as a success. I can't see what fun there is in just watching robot cars do things, there's no direct personal involvement. No play as such. It's like watching someone else play a video-game; boring. I'm sticking to Hot Wheels.

That's my sentiment too.

And it seems tied to a specific track, cant run on any surface without some markings.


It could be a solution looking for a problem, but it is still a big achievement.
 
Sorry, but I was one of those people who watched this and thought 'what's the point'? I get they are (in theory) developing advanced AI software that could *ONE DAY* be used in other applications, but their demo was for a product that they were shilling (shipping later this year) that, from what I could tell, was just to let you watch toy cars drive around a track.

I did not get the impression in ANY way that this was meant to be a life-altering tech demo of a future utopian-world where their AI enriches our lives. It was all about 'hey, check out what we built, we're going to be selling it later-come buy it'.

Except I didn't really get what *IT* was, or why I'd want to buy it.
 
My guess is you will instruct your car to do something and so will your friend. One of you will prevail and win the race. The AI will decide how to execute your command like block, go faster, blow them up with missiles, avoid their weapons, etc.

I think this will be awesome, can't wait to buy it for my boys. They love these track things and play games like death rally on their iPods. This took my back to the 80's childhood in a big way.
 
EDIT: they also recovered pretty well when one of their cars didn't want to play ball

They certainly recovered better than the guy playing Assassin's Creed 4 at Sony's E3. When it froze he just continued looking down and shifting uncomfortably! The whole Sony show was very stilted though I thought.

As for the Anki cars, I thought they were pretty awesome and a great representation of what is possible. I can see why some people may not think it was that impressive, especially non-tech savvy types, but developers (the intended audience) should see that this is really a pretty incredible feat!
 
I agree.

But, as for the toys, I don't see them as a success. I can't see what fun there is in just watching robot cars do things, there's no direct personal involvement. No play as such. It's like watching someone else play a video-game; boring. I'm sticking to Hot Wheels.

Yep, that's what I think too. It was a sort of "technology demonstrator' to show the lengths you could go tech-wise using your phone, nothing more than that. I mean, how fun can an auto-pilot kind of game be?
 
I agree.

But, as for the toys, I don't see them as a success. I can't see what fun there is in just watching robot cars do things, there's no direct personal involvement. No play as such. It's like watching someone else play a video-game; boring. I'm sticking to Hot Wheels.

Dude, are you kidding? Have you ever played a racing game on an iDevice? I guess you have. Now imagine doing it and being able to see the whole track and all the cars in front of you. If you're playing single player, set up the cars as automatic opponents, or have your friends over and let them play as well.

The old school black plastic tracks where you only controlled the speed, or the proper RC cars on big tracks, with the possibility of having opponents without anyone else playing, that can have weapons... Or that you can kill.

Seriously, you must have the worst imagination...

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if we'd see these cars equipped with cameras, so that when you're playing on your iPhone, you'll see what the car "sees", with added effects (like weapons, audience, whatnot).

Then, with a little bit of dreaming, we'll see table tops being able to display dynamic holograms where you can play. Imagine an FPS that you can look at when your friends are playing...

Man, I haven't been this excited about gameplay since Donkey Kong Country came out.
 
The point of this, for those that miss it, is that play like this is what leads to advancements. Self guided robots that can help the elderly and disabled, work in hospitals delivering and cleaning, do janitorial work in offices and factories, do dangerous work, fight wars, etc.

A few philosophical points (and some good ideas pubwvj):

We've already become too dependent on technology. We've become so dependent the majority of us "connect" through 1's and 0's on displays that give a false sense of belonging. Don't misunderstand, it's great that we can connect with people easily in many parts of the world, however it's at the cost of sheltering ourselves from physical, social contact. My good friend works in H.R. for a company based in NYC. The college grads and 20 somethings lack basic social skills, many of them don't make eye contact and text during job interviews.

The concept of producing robots/tech for war is troubling. Having more/all unmanned tech fight our will increase the already violent and dangerous weaponry as it will become more akin to a video game with the distance bet humanity and the battle field greatened. As for jobs/dangerous jobs, they're still jobs many need. With a faltering, volatile economy based on a an unsteady stock market, we've seen the dangers of investment banking, capitalistic corruption on par with a world tied to a system of uncertainty that makes communism seem "fair", and many people losing their jobs and homes (not from ignorance on their end, but from banks/investors shilling out so much, betting against defaults, derivatives, etc. - my father was an investment banker with Bear Stearns until his retirement in the 90's, I know the game all too well). We can't afford to lose a job market, and the skills and education required to develop and maintain such technology is out of reach for those many due to costs in education, etc. which wouldn't create more jobs, there would be less and a great socio-economic divide.

My point in this looooong *** comment, there's a good and bad side to too much tech. The internet is a great learning tool, yet the biggest market online is porn. The stock market could work well, yet greed has produced a very unsteady global financial market. Humanity takes something great, and ***** all over it. We get so caught up on "if" we can do it, we forget about "why" we're doing it, and the ramifications. The atom bomb is a great example, scientists and engineers get carried away they forget the philosophical complications of their work, leading to more inhumanity. I would like to see bioengineering for those who have lost limbs or need transplants, that is fascinating. My father lost both his legs due to diabetic non-compliance, was married to his work and didn't take care of his health, and I've had friends who have lost a lot in the wars overseas, it would be amazing to accomplish. However, we need to draw a line in the sand, and agree on what is beneficial and what is detrimental. We've already lost so much humanity in the past decade for many reasons, I don't want more technology getting between us and life for the sake of "improving" what is already great: ourselves.

/end rant :eek:
 
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