Dual-core Sandy Bridge mobile is expected to give 20% higher performance than Arrandale, at least when comparing the high-end models of each line.
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Another Look at Apple's Core 2 Duo Choice for New 13-Inch MacBook Pro
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Like how Core2Quad was expected to bring massive speed bumps? Where outside WinRar and Synthetic benchmarks it was really no better?
I know that SandyBridge is a larger improvement than just shoving two CPUs together but Intel's improvements for revisions don't usually anything to the table other than die shrinks and heat management. Its almost what a lot of people expect of nVidia.
First at all, YES, the waiting game is fun! I can't wait for the senseless "update next tuesday" rumors and comments...
The 13" is a pro again if he has the same specs than the 15" and if there is a higher screen resolution available. From the engineering side - not a big problem.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cores-rampage,1316.htmlLike how Core2Quad was expected to bring massive speed bumps? Where outside WinRar and Synthetic benchmarks it was really no better?
Microarchitectural? Yes. Multithreaded performance? No.
And those aren't important?
Also what AMD does lately. Actually Intel's focusing more on per-core improvements than AMD does.
If that 10-month old report were true, it should be reflected in more current reports from reputable sources.
I did search, and I found no solid information and very little even in the way of rumor.
What's pretty clear is that most of the branding information on that chart did not come from Intel. Tech specs were known before brand names were assigned to individual cpus. That is seen from the link earlier in the article that discussed assigning brand names to Lynnfield and Clarksfield, processors that were already known. But at the time Intel hadn't discussed the branding of other processors or the article would have pointed that out, instead of relying on a chart from a Chinese web site. Whoever made up the chart took the information Intel had already given, which is correct on the chart, and guessed the rest, nearly all of which is wrong.
Without more solid evidence, the rebranding of C2D to i3 can only be considered speculation. I don't believe what the chart says, considering that its guesses are wrong on almost all the other brand names that weren't known at the time.
We still get people today that say quad cores are some sort of luxury item and only a professional would need one?Tom's Hardware said:
This is where I stand as well. There was plenty of brand speculation long before Lynnfield even hit the stores. The Chinese article is ancient given the brands we do have today and Core 2's coming death. Even Core 2 CULV is getting slashed.
So you enjoy waiting just because of a couple of threads that appear regardless of whether or not you bought the product...
Resolution increase won't happen until the 15" gets 1680x1050 as the standard. Like I already said, the 15" uses 35 watt processors making it IMPOSSIBLE for it to have the same specs as the 15". They also can't fit a discrete GPU in the 13".
It's amazing how people just think Apple can just throw an inconceivable amount of parts into such a tiny product.
Who green lit getting Apple backed into nVidia's same corner?So you enjoy waiting just because of a couple of threads that appear regardless of whether or not you bought the product...
Resolution increase won't happen until the 15" gets 1680x1050 as the standard. Like I already said, the 15" uses 35 watt processors making it IMPOSSIBLE for it to have the same specs as the 15". They also can't fit a discrete GPU in the 13".
It's amazing how people just think Apple can just throw an inconceivable amount of parts into such a tiny product.
It's more prevalent in the mobile space.We still get people today that say quad cores are some sort of luxury item and only a professional would need one?
I can understand it for the mobile space. Arrandale's hyperthreading provides enough performance if you're not willing to compromise battery life. It's just much worse on the desktop side when you have $99 AMD Althon II X4s rolling around and Core 2 Quad has been under ~$200 since 2008.
Many, many moons ago (2006, ya rly) we discussed Apple's mistake of going with Yonah/Merom instead of holding out or Conroe. Now they offer a LGA775 solution when that socket is on its death throes.
Well, I clicked the link from the source that the Chinese site posted and it led me here:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=18944
Turns out it was speculation. My mistake. Sorry for wasting your time.
Err, they aren't in a corner right now. Arrandale i3 chips aren't better than the Penryn chips as proven and they have a better GPU than before. When Sandy Bridge comes out is when Apple will have to redo the logic board in the 13". Right now though, they're in a perfectly fine spot.
Yes, 4 vs 2 cores with only minor or no improvements. C2Q wasn't a big major improvement, even with the entire gaming community raving about an extra 5FPS.
They are. But on a desktop system the difference of 5~10watts is compared to the price jump is... (I suppose I should've mention the price factor)
Then there's nVidia's world where you could run a Pentium 4 system and not take a performance hit with parallel computing.
AMD is currently in the process of (pun intended) Bulldozing their entire chip line. We haven't seen any major revisions apart from speed bumps because they're too busy doing something better.
So you enjoy waiting just because of a couple of threads that appear regardless of whether or not you bought the product...
Resolution increase won't happen until the 15" gets 1680x1050 as the standard. Like I already said, the 15" uses 35 watt processors making it IMPOSSIBLE for it to have the same specs as the 15". They also can't fit a discrete GPU in the 13".
It's amazing how people just think Apple can just throw an inconceivable amount of parts into such a tiny product.
If they want, they put i7 and discrete graphics in the 13". Where is the problem? Why do you think only because Apple does not do it, it would be impossible. It IS possible. See SONY. I don't want to start a discussion about SONY vs Apple or something like that.... Realize that Apple is only doing CA$H decisions... Profit margin. That's all. They avoided redesigning the MBP line, saved lots of money and are now making big profit... If there is a need (not for the user, for the cashflow) there will be high specd 13" on the market...
Check the multithreaded benchmarks, that's the case with any multi-core.
Also games aren't usually multithreaded.
It's a bad thing for single-threaded tasks (with the exception of the new Turbo CORE feature). K10 CPUs aren't doing bad at all if the scenarios are multithreaded because they are going for more small cores. 25 W mobile quad-cores are coming soon, and a 32 nm K10 core will be half the size of a Westmere or Sandy Bridge core.
Its hard to tell what is Multithreaded and whats not. Toms hardware has a habit of omitting information like that.
Guess what gem I just found!
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1289/1/
It's not that hard to see what applications scale based on cores/threads. I haven't seen a reviewer that hasn't spelled it out in their summaries either.
SONY does not have the same internal layout that the unibody 13" MacBook Pro has. Have you seen the logic board on the 13"? It's tiny. Really tiny. It was made to use 25 watt CPU's. Also I'd like to know how long that Sony laptops battery life is, as well as what its price is.
I've must've explained this to you at least three times now. APPLE WOULD NOT HAVE PUT AN I5/I7 IN THE 13". You know what? You didn't even want an i5/i7, you were talking about how you wanted i3 when you first came in this thread. Then I promptly shut down your argument and you pulled a strawman. You don't know what you want because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
I don't consider it a waste of time. I'm glad it got cleared up. It would have been very interesting if true, but apparently not, at least for now.
I agree. The Sony case is larger, and the logic board is larger and has ICs mounted on both sides of the board. I don't think Apple could do that in the current 13" case. Apple is not willing to make the trade-offs required for Arrandale in the 13", like smaller battery, larger case, or removing the optical drive.
I'm sure Apple could've made changes to the body in order to accomodate the necessary components but it would've required changing the body and would've needed a lot more engineering which would've increased costs.
I think Apple is just trying to squeeze out one more year of sales from the current body before they re-engineer it to fit other components. (I'm sure they are also hoping advancements over the next year might save them from doing that too.)
Sorry, now it's getting too polemic here for me...
Please continue explaining that C2D rebranding story... I'm out!
Just ordered my 13" two days ago and I am 100% sure i won't regret it. A C2D plus good graphics is plenty good for what i use it for; what I really wanted was the quality build of the computer and the great operating system. otherwise, I'd just get a PC. Btw, does anyone know the delivery times for these?
I got my new 2010 13" Macbook last week and haven't looked back. This is my first computer in 9 years. I had a p4 alienware (non-dell) previously and it gave me some great times over the years but all other things aside Mac os is just a superior operating system. I never had a windows operating system work how it should. I think this might be permanent.
I was hoping (against hope) that the MacBook Air refresh would get announced today to make my decision between the 13" MPB and MBA a little easier...
I was hoping (against hope) that the MacBook Air refresh would get announced today to make my decision between the 13" MPB and MBA a little easier...
I had a tough decision too. I was originally going for the white macbook and I was positive I would get that but the refresh took to long plus I started liking the MBP characteristics more and more everyday. I really needed the SD card slot plus I ended up getting a really good deal on the MBP that I could not refuse. I'm really happy because I know I made the right decision.
Regarding your choice. The Macbook air is sick and I know you probably have your heart set on it but you should go into the apple store or a best buy and compare them side by side. The air is thinner but even when it gets refreshed it will not have anything that the MBP does not have and it will be a few hundred dollars more expensive for similar specs. I don't move around with my computer too much so the air is not really a choice for me but try to weigh the pros and cons and see if it is worth it for you. I hope you end up with the one you want.