slughead said:
Doing that will absolutely burn out the weak motor in your camera. Cheaper to buy a backup drive than a new camera.
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Another Maxtor HD bites the dust...
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Doing that will absolutely burn out the weak motor in your camera. Cheaper to buy a backup drive than a new camera.
I had a friend who was using a PC buy a new big seagate hd, 3 times his harddrive just went at once, lost everything 3 times, all at 4 month or so intervals... And people dont listen about backing up. Its pointless - unless you really need to - to back up your whole hd, dont back up applications (unless you really need to, but they will probally have to be reinstalled anyways), dont back up stuff like music or movies (with exception of home videos and such), just documents and what you cannot afford to lose.
There are advantages to backing up your entire HD - one being that you won't have to set up everything again if you need to restore your system. Some people are too lazy to reinstall and reconfigure everything - that's why they back up their whole HD. Others (like me) prefer to not set up everything again, but are willing to do it if it is necessary.point665 said:
Yeah but in a case with a huge hard drive. How can you back up so much data, to another hard drive? or 10-20 DVDs? Its mind boggling. I lost all my software backups, I'll have to rip the VCR videos again, all my iDVD and iMovie projects are gone and all my previous computer backups since 1989 are gone. I don't think I'll ever buy a Maxtor Hard Drive again, I said that last year but now look what happened.
Maybe I'll get another drive and a 8x DVD Burner - or I can wait for my dad to get his G5...
Backup your data friends!!
Maybe I'll get another drive and a 8x DVD Burner - or I can wait for my dad to get his G5...
Backup your data friends!!
Well well, I'd never have thought. Maybe the failures are caused not by a poor hard disk, but a poorly designed enclosure.iMeowbot said:
This thread reminds me of my (old) schools brand new 80GB External Maxtor HD. The only way to get it to turn on is if you hold it up at an angle and hear it click on. sometimes you have to rotate it around, sometimes it will die when you put it down on the table.... while the two old 20gb LaCie drives are still chuggin' along.
I've had 3 maxtor drives fail in 33-40°C thermostated enclosures after 9-18 months of use.
Well, one I traded for a pistol, so I don't know how it was kept aside from it died 4 months after I traded it, and I got an earful.
Meanwhile I have a 2000 western digital 80GB, an 2001 IBM Deskstar 80GB, and a '98 40GB Seagate.
I also have a 27GB 1999 Western Digital that came with my DP450 G4 that's been sitting in my 45°C PC for the past 4 years.
All these HDs have worked HARD, very hard.. I even kept that WD80GB spun up for at least 2 years straight (barring a day here and there). They are all still functioning like new, sans the Maxtors which are probably sitting in a landfill outside the city limits..
Well, one I traded for a pistol, so I don't know how it was kept aside from it died 4 months after I traded it, and I got an earful.
Meanwhile I have a 2000 western digital 80GB, an 2001 IBM Deskstar 80GB, and a '98 40GB Seagate.
I also have a 27GB 1999 Western Digital that came with my DP450 G4 that's been sitting in my 45°C PC for the past 4 years.
All these HDs have worked HARD, very hard.. I even kept that WD80GB spun up for at least 2 years straight (barring a day here and there). They are all still functioning like new, sans the Maxtors which are probably sitting in a landfill outside the city limits..
Mechcozmo said:
I've had nothing but good luck with Maxtors too. At the moment all my FW storage is Maxtor: two in a Wiebetech DuoGB enclosure, and another in a fanless aluminum generic Chinese enclosure. I've temporarily retired my Western Digital drive (until I buy another enclosure for it).
Mechcozmo said:
Yup it would really suck to lose all my work. LimeiBook86 I hope you recover your stuff and have nothing but reliability from all your future hard drives.
Here at work we've had three Maxtor 200gb drives fail with SMART errors in quick succession - we haven't got that many of them either. I always thought highly of Maxtor but these 200gb drives are so unreliable they might as well be made by FujitsuLimeiBook86 said:
JesseJames said:
Haa haa, IBM deathstars??? they are not reliable drives, there was a big thing recently about how bad IBM drives are. I beleive they are now produced by Hitachi.
Maxtor bought Quantum (which were very bad drives) and use their technology, i've had various Maxtors die, around 7 drives in total, ranging from 40gb - 160gb drives. I have 3 seagates that have been working perfectly for a while now a 160gb SATA in my G5 Tower, a 10gb IDE in a old Compaq i gave to my auntie, and a 80gb IDE in my server (runs 24/7).
I also have 5 western digital drives, 2 in my brother and my dad's pc's, 2 250gb drives in my server for my music collection and a 74gb Raptor drive in my G5. these run really well.
From my experience: Good Drives = Seagate, Western Digital, Connor, Bad Drives = Maxtor, Quantum, Fujitsu, Compaq
My freind recently bought 4 IBM Ultra SCSI-3 drives at 10k rpm, 8mb cache to use as his data storage, under the illusion that scsi was more reliable, only to have 2 of these drives die.
I personally still use tape backup, use 2 tapes a week and if one goes, then I can restore from a earlier one.
The onl hds that have died on me is:
The 40 mb Conner in MacPortable
A 40mb Quantum in Mac SE (i dont remeber when it died, but it was atleast 5 years old)
A Quantum 2 GB scsi (after 3-4years)
A Fuijitsu 1 GB scsi (after 4+ years)
I still have:
4 GB Maxtor (6+ years)
10 GB Quantum (4.5 years)
30 GB Quantum (3 years)
Maxtor 80 GB (2 years)
Segate 120 GB (almost 1 year)
All these are in daily use.
The 40 mb Conner in MacPortable
A 40mb Quantum in Mac SE (i dont remeber when it died, but it was atleast 5 years old)
A Quantum 2 GB scsi (after 3-4years)
A Fuijitsu 1 GB scsi (after 4+ years)
I still have:
4 GB Maxtor (6+ years)
10 GB Quantum (4.5 years)
30 GB Quantum (3 years)
Maxtor 80 GB (2 years)
Segate 120 GB (almost 1 year)
All these are in daily use.
garybUK said:
I actually heard about that, however, I think it has to do with the different model numbers: the 60GXP sucks, but the 120GXP is good, the 75GXP is HORRIBLE, but the 180GXP is excellent.
I think a big part of that are 2 things:
1. Deskstars use glass heads which can break if you drop them
2. they create LOTS of heat, so you need to make sure your enclosure is properly ventilated and make sure to place some sort of metal object flush with a couple of the sides of the drive.
garybUK said:
That explains A LOT. Quantum is so bad it's like they were designed to be toys at the bottom of happy meals. I've never had a quantum last longer than 6 months.
garybUK said:
OK this in particular sounds a great deal like a heat problem, SCSI _is_ more reliable most of the time, but not when it's 10k RPM and not cared for.
I donno, I've never used an IBM aside from the 80GB ATA-100 one I have so I couldn't tell ya.
These things are largely anecdotal, but one place you can get a sem-scientific idea of how reliable various brands and models (the model can make a HUGE difference) really are: The Reliability Survey over at StorageReview. There's a very large number of drives entered in there, categorized by model, and the statistics are a combination of the drives still running and how long the drives that failed lasted.
It's a little hard to actually get to the stats, but if you log in and click the "Reliability Ratings and Result Browser" button down toward the bottom, there are lots of interesting statistics to be had. And don't forget to look at a company's more recent products--things change a lot over time.
Examples: the infamous IBM DeathStar drives of a few years back (the 75GXP being the worst of them--had one die abruptly myself) are in fact horribly unreliable, but most recent Hitachi (formerly IBM) drives are pretty good. Maxtors used to be ok, but have been sliding steadily downhill. WD drives are sort of all over, but their newer ones are looking pretty poor (ratings are obviously more accurate after a year or so, since that balances out the out-of-box failures, but the new 2500JB is the worst in the survey, and the new Raptors are very bad as well)
Seagate drives are consistently quite high, and the odd-man-out Samsung is pretty much middle of the road.
This, interestingly, more or less bears out my personal experience gained from running about about 20 office computers and a couple of home machines; I've had very good luck with Seagates and newer Hitachi drives, and all the Samsung drives I've installed over the past several years are still running, but Maxtors have been crappy (sadly, the 250GB drive that Apple put in my G5 is one, which I can't bring myself to use as a primary drive), and I've seen a lot of WD failures.
At this point, I only buy Hitachi, Seagate, and Samsung, depending on wether speed, reliability, or price is the most important (in that order). I'm drooling over the speed on the new 300GB 16MB buffer Maxtors and the 74GB Raptors speed wise, but I just don't trust either for reliability. Maybe in a RAID1 or 5 array...
It's a little hard to actually get to the stats, but if you log in and click the "Reliability Ratings and Result Browser" button down toward the bottom, there are lots of interesting statistics to be had. And don't forget to look at a company's more recent products--things change a lot over time.
Examples: the infamous IBM DeathStar drives of a few years back (the 75GXP being the worst of them--had one die abruptly myself) are in fact horribly unreliable, but most recent Hitachi (formerly IBM) drives are pretty good. Maxtors used to be ok, but have been sliding steadily downhill. WD drives are sort of all over, but their newer ones are looking pretty poor (ratings are obviously more accurate after a year or so, since that balances out the out-of-box failures, but the new 2500JB is the worst in the survey, and the new Raptors are very bad as well)
Seagate drives are consistently quite high, and the odd-man-out Samsung is pretty much middle of the road.
This, interestingly, more or less bears out my personal experience gained from running about about 20 office computers and a couple of home machines; I've had very good luck with Seagates and newer Hitachi drives, and all the Samsung drives I've installed over the past several years are still running, but Maxtors have been crappy (sadly, the 250GB drive that Apple put in my G5 is one, which I can't bring myself to use as a primary drive), and I've seen a lot of WD failures.
At this point, I only buy Hitachi, Seagate, and Samsung, depending on wether speed, reliability, or price is the most important (in that order). I'm drooling over the speed on the new 300GB 16MB buffer Maxtors and the 74GB Raptors speed wise, but I just don't trust either for reliability. Maybe in a RAID1 or 5 array...
Hard Drives that died on me...
Quantum Viking 9gb UW-SCSI - G3 MiniTower from Macofalltrades.com - Lasted about a year or two
Maxtor 80gb, from Maxtor FireWire case which died...then came the HD - The case lasted a good year or two, I think i dropped it and sat on it, sitting on it just moved the crappy plastic case.
Maxtor 200gb from Best Buy, came with free RAID card (Windows only) - just died, named "Sir Clicks-a-Lot"...
I have a Western Digital 80gb Drive, still newish, put it in a drive case and it fell 3 feet off a shelf, works fine though - B] not dead[/B]
I need to save all my data, in one big place....ahhh crap im remembering all the stuff I lost, I think im gonna cry or something
Quantum Viking 9gb UW-SCSI - G3 MiniTower from Macofalltrades.com - Lasted about a year or two
Maxtor 80gb, from Maxtor FireWire case which died...then came the HD - The case lasted a good year or two, I think i dropped it and sat on it, sitting on it just moved the crappy plastic case.
Maxtor 200gb from Best Buy, came with free RAID card (Windows only) - just died, named "Sir Clicks-a-Lot"...
I have a Western Digital 80gb Drive, still newish, put it in a drive case and it fell 3 feet off a shelf, works fine though - B] not dead[/B]
I need to save all my data, in one big place....ahhh crap im remembering all the stuff I lost, I think im gonna cry or something
Let's see...LimeiBook86 said:Quantum Viking 9gb UW-SCSI - G3 MiniTower from Macofalltrades.com - Lasted about a year or two
Maxtor 80gb, from Maxtor FireWire case which died...then came the HD - The case lasted a good year or two, I think i dropped it and sat on it, sitting on it just moved the crappy plastic case.
Maxtor 200gb from Best Buy, came with free RAID card (Windows only) - just died, named "Sir Clicks-a-Lot"...
I have a Western Digital 80gb Drive, still newish, put it in a drive case and it fell 3 feet off a shelf, works fine though - B] not dead[/B]
I need to save all my data, in one big place....ahhh crap im remembering all the stuff I lost, I think im gonna cry or something
I had several Zip 250 disks die on me from the Click of Death.
The original 30 GB hard drive (don't know the manufacturer) in my old PC (not the one listed on my web site) died - I replaced it with a 45 GB drive since that was cheaper than a 40 GB drive and the store had no 30 GB hard drives.
Some EXTERNAL data for the group:
Not bragging but I have used more external FW drives than anyone I have ever known, and I've amassed my own data on which I will buy or not. Right now I have 14 drives doing the majority of my "casual" backup via Retrospect. I also have a dozen doing CCC. Another dozen are at various client locations doing local backup. I have some doing RAID sets for myself, and even a 1TB LaCie drive for editing movies. My tech department has 8 for booting and imaging, and the media department has 8 to transport those huge movies to the lab to use DVD Studio Pro.
I rely on them because I think they are the easiest thing to use for saving, can boot a machine, do restores, etc., etc. I can't do my job without them.
So enough of that, here's my own personal data (your results may vary!):
Worst drive: LaCie 60GB "blue bunker" model. Failed at an alaming rate. Out of 12 purchased 2-3 years ago, 3 are still working.
Second worst: Maxtor original 80GB. 10 bought, 5 still working.
Third best: Maxtor 160 and 200GB models. All but one of 15 working. Used heavily.
Second Best: One of the first, the VST 3GB and 6GB models. (small form factor) All are still working but one. And they're cool looking.
Best drive overall: The SmartDisk Firelite 60GB. All 25 are working, and get quite a workout.
Drive I WANT to be best: The LaCie 1TB drive, because it was EXPENSIVE.
Internal? I've been all ove rthe map, and have had equal luck no matter the drive, so I buy what's on sale at CDWG. BUT, I will NOT buy Maxtor internal.
Not bragging but I have used more external FW drives than anyone I have ever known, and I've amassed my own data on which I will buy or not. Right now I have 14 drives doing the majority of my "casual" backup via Retrospect. I also have a dozen doing CCC. Another dozen are at various client locations doing local backup. I have some doing RAID sets for myself, and even a 1TB LaCie drive for editing movies. My tech department has 8 for booting and imaging, and the media department has 8 to transport those huge movies to the lab to use DVD Studio Pro.
I rely on them because I think they are the easiest thing to use for saving, can boot a machine, do restores, etc., etc. I can't do my job without them.
So enough of that, here's my own personal data (your results may vary!):
Worst drive: LaCie 60GB "blue bunker" model. Failed at an alaming rate. Out of 12 purchased 2-3 years ago, 3 are still working.
Second worst: Maxtor original 80GB. 10 bought, 5 still working.
Third best: Maxtor 160 and 200GB models. All but one of 15 working. Used heavily.
Second Best: One of the first, the VST 3GB and 6GB models. (small form factor) All are still working but one. And they're cool looking.
Best drive overall: The SmartDisk Firelite 60GB. All 25 are working, and get quite a workout.
Drive I WANT to be best: The LaCie 1TB drive, because it was EXPENSIVE.
Internal? I've been all ove rthe map, and have had equal luck no matter the drive, so I buy what's on sale at CDWG. BUT, I will NOT buy Maxtor internal.