Well I decided to give my local apple store a call this morning and check if they had the any in stock and score, they had the 16gig I wanted. Ran over to the store and it was about a 15 minute process in and out. Comparing it to my 3G isnt really fair. The screen is flawless and by far the best mobile phone screen I have ever seen. Speed on everything from the basic apps to the web surfing seems to have been doubled at the least. Fit and finish is apple solid just as I expected. Call quality is much improved over my 3G, and yes I do have fewer bars than before but have yet to drop a call. Overall apple has given another solid performer and I dont think there is another phone out there that would have met my needs better than the 4. Now I just need to see what the market looks like for a 8gig 3G with all the original accessories including the box and a griffin carbon fiber case looks like. Im hoping to get 150.00 for it.