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Antitrust Hearing Involving Apple Chief Tim Cook and Other Big Tech CEOs Reportedly Postponed [Update: Delay Confirmed]
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That thread is a dumpster fire of Internet foolishness. People driving themselves crazy with third party fan controls, screen resolutions, refresh rates, switchresX, etc. surprised that their 45W GPU is getting warm when their machine is plugged into AC power—and using the dGPU—compared to when it’s on battery using the iGPU. “I plug it in and and my energy consumption iNcReaSes tO 20 waTtS!!!1!11!1!!!1. Ummm, duh. Oh, and in a 39°C room with no air conditioning, the fans start spinning up!!11!1!
This helps, this doesn’t, stand on one foot and pat my head it runs even hotter... pages and pages of “concerned” potential buyers that are all freaking themselves out due to a YouTuber’s clickbait video. And regular posts from people who don’t have any problem.
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Yep, and why do you think there are hundreds of people on that thread resorting to all kinds of measures to get the temperature of the MBP down? Because it generates a ton of heat when you plug it into a monitor with its lid open, that's why. I should know. I've not commented on that thread myself, but every day I have my MBP 16" driving a monitor and - sooner or later - the fans start to whoosh very noisily. I am sorely disappointed. I replaced a machine with a terrible keyboard for one that is painfully noisy.
The only firm conclusion on that thread is there is a systemic problem, and it can be eliminated if you buy a MBP with the expensive GPU option.
Hundreds—thousands—of posts but how many actual 16” MBP owners? A few dozen? Certainly less than a few hundred.
Apple has probably sold at least 2-3 million 16” MBP by now.
I think you accidentally made a compelling argument against your own point.
People shouldn't have to resort to crazy third party fan controls, screen resolutions, refresh rates, switchresX, etc, but unfortunately, those machines don't perform as they should under regular use. It doesn't take a 39ºC room to get the fans to spin up, they do it at normal temperatures doing nothing but running word docs on an external display. That's down to either bad software or bad hardware.
They are no more of a monopoly than a company like Disney. You want Disney content? You’re in their world...what’s wrong with that? Everyone is vertically integrated as possible. You don’t have to choose Apple, which is why it’s not a monopoly.
I never said some don’t have a problem. How many millions of 16” are there in the wild? And is it better, worse or the same as the 2018 15”?
You'd have to ask Apple that, but of course they'd never tell you.
You missed the point. It doesn't matter if they're a monopoly or not, it's about whether they're stifling competition.
OP’s point is valid. You don’t have to be a monopoly to cause harm to consumers using market-based power.
But even if Apple were a monopoly—which they‘re not—that’s not a problem as long as they’re not abusing consumers with anti-competitive practices.
Whatever the Washington show, no changes to Apple’s 30/15% App Store cut will ever be required. If Apple wants to raise that to 40/20 that would be fine as well 🤷♂️
There may be issues with APIs or things like Apple Maps/Mail/Safari defaults, etc. but Apple can charge whatever rates the market will bear. Maybe that’s 50%, who knows?
Not really, it shouldn’t be hard to compare them. According to posts I’ve seen, the 2018 15” is about the same.
Meh, totally disagree. It’s simple to avoid Apple.
Visa and MasterCard have far higher margins. There are better things to do than hassle Apple.
LOLLLLLL. Ok, you don’t understand the business models if gou think this is AT ALL comparable.
Go look at Visa’s operating margin.
Where does it say in the anti-trust hearing summary that Apple is accused of stifling competition. Or is that a MacRumors opinion?
Well, you're guessing there. But - even if that is the case - the great majority of MacBooks are used without an external monitor; the overwhelming number of owners do not subscribe to this site; and even fewer will have found the thread highlighting this noisy beast. The issue is widely reported elsewhere, though.
Of the users in that thread who have doggedly persisted in escalating their case to Apple engineers, the outcome is consistent: Apple say you've got a noisy machine, and that's how it's supposed to be when driving an external monitor. If it were a rare design flaw they would replace the machines with no quibbles. But, of course, they won't do that.
They will, of course, address the issue in future refreshes. But for early adopters, you've been sold a pup. I'm typing now on my sofa on my MBP 16" and it's a gorgeous silent machine, but when I take it into my office on Monday and plug it in my monitor it's going to be a dog.
That’s what anti-trust law deals with. That’s like asking where it says that a homicide investigation deals with a person’s death.
I suppose we could debate what antitrust really is: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/antitrust.asp as there are multiple facets. However anticompetitive behavior is an opinion made up by MR posters as it’s not been a matter of legal proceedings.
From your link:
I think it’s pretty clear that this is about perceived anti-competetive practices. I’m genuinely not sure what else it would be about while falling under an antitrust committee, but by all means share some examples of you can think of any.
Exactly. Perceived anti-competitive practices is just an opinion. Until a legal body finds Apple guilty of violating anti-trust laws they haven’t. MR posters can have any opinion on this matter though.
Anything can happen is my other point. Ask AT&T.
That’s why I originally said “It’s about whether they’re stifling competition”. Somehow you’ve gone from disagreeing with me to arguing for my original point in the space of three or four posts.
That’s the point anti trust is so broad that stifling competition is meaningless. Especially with millions of apps in the App Store doesn’t seem like competition is being stifled. Of course ascribe you’re own interpretation to it. I dont think the government likes that Apple controls its minority share of the market and Apple is worth $1T and would like to cut it down.
Maybe they should start with the way our PII is being abused.
I'm at a loss as to what point you're trying to make. Do you believe they're just doing this for an exercise in vague anti-trust handwaving? Personally, I'm sure they have very specific examples that they are going to raise, but since the hearing hasn't actually happened we aren't privy to that information yet. It is still absolutely going to fall under the general header of anti-competitive practices, all that's left to hear is specifically which anti-trust laws they feel Apple has violated.
Exactly.
Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Amazon and Facebook own their space, Apple does not and is a minority player according to every market share argument I've read on MacRumors. I believe this is grandstanding.