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Any benchmarks for the core m7?
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If you can afford it then I would say go for the upgrade. If in 2-3 years time you find your machine slowing down you'll regret not having spent the bit extra.
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Very small amounts, but overall I was impressed. As I said I didn't really do much else with the computer whilst it was working away other than downloading the 720p file. But it loaded all webpages and launched my torrent client without any issues. It's also worth noting that even when under load the battery kept a very respectable estimated 8hours from full whilst at 90°.
Yeah the money doesnt matter too much, although spending more than needed is never fun. Thing is I have been upgrading every year too often so it lasting longer is something that might not be necessary.
Sorry to go so long without replying, I don't visit these forums often. Luckily someone else did the dirty work.
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My answer is similar to the others, it's the form factor. For me specifically, I use a high end desktop for all my heavy lifting. The job of this notebook is to give me the ability to work away from the desk when I want or need to. I do not have any requirement to work without a decent network connection. Everything difficult for this notebook can be run remotely on my 5K iMac (4GHz i7, 32GB RAM, R9 M395X 4GB VRAM) with Jump Desktop or SSH or similar.
What really draws me to this model specifically are: Fanless design, minimalist interface (fewer ports to keep lint out of and really, just looks nicer to me,) the keyboard (which I recognize is a contentious attribute, but, I love it) and of course the retina display which is what kept me from even considering the 11" Air.
Personally, this notebook is the closest to my lifelong (well, at least since I was 10 years old) idealistic dream of a notebook that I've ever encountered. I've been using it as intended since it launched and can happily report that it is living up to—and often exceeding—all of my expectations. Any more powerful notebook will be larger, heavier, and probably actively cooled. I'm a Sr. Software Engineer. I work on large systems dealing with large data. I do occasionally benefit from pulling down larger data samples and working with them locally, in which case I'll employ the iMac. But all the serious work is happening across entire clusters of compute nodes that no notebook on the market can compare to.
So for me, the most important factors of this device are not really ultimately CPU performance, just a minimum bar that must be met there. The most important factors are the physical attributes, the look, feel, pleasure of use, etc.
I'm sure whatever Apple does with the Pro line will be lovely, but, I am extremely doubtful it will be this small, light, or otherwise (in my opinion) as elegantly designed.
I agree with you as well. The MacBook has been my dream laptop. I have a powerful desktop PC for gaming and such. I need my laptop to travel with me all day, everyday and everywhere I go for my job (computer consultant,) with decent battery life. And it needs to be easy to take out and get on WIFI to do billing, writing and remote computer support using LogMeIn Technician and Remote Desktop. The MacBook is the perfect machine for that!!
Before this I owned the first tiny Sony Vaio 505 back in the early 2000's--I think like 2001--(Pentium 233 with 32 MB RAM and a 2GB hard drive!) then a couple more Sony's. I tried the original Microsoft Tablet PC (made by HP) with the pen and Microsoft Ink. Then in 2008 the first Air with a 64GB SSD. Then the 11" Air (my favorite laptop until last year) and then the Holy Grail, the 2015 rMB. Rocked it for the last year, until I was able to sell the 2015 to a relative. And just today, delivered a couple hours ago and Migrating now from a TM backup, I got my new m7/256. For me, performance was never the big deal; size, weight and portability are my number one concerns. And the rMB is the best for that. (And it runs OSX--my favorite OS)
Before this I owned the first tiny Sony Vaio 505 back in the early 2000's--I think like 2001--(Pentium 233 with 32 MB RAM and a 2GB hard drive!) then a couple more Sony's. I tried the original Microsoft Tablet PC (made by HP) with the pen and Microsoft Ink. Then in 2008 the first Air with a 64GB SSD. Then the 11" Air (my favorite laptop until last year) and then the Holy Grail, the 2015 rMB. Rocked it for the last year, until I was able to sell the 2015 to a relative. And just today, delivered a couple hours ago and Migrating now from a TM backup, I got my new m7/256. For me, performance was never the big deal; size, weight and portability are my number one concerns. And the rMB is the best for that. (And it runs OSX--my favorite OS)
In the last 4 weeks I upgraded from
MB2015 1.2.ghz to
MB2015 1.3 ghz to
MB2016 1.3 ghz
Here's the geekbench results for the exact same (migrated) config on the 1.3ghz machines.
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MB2015 1.2.ghz to
MB2015 1.3 ghz to
MB2016 1.3 ghz
Here's the geekbench results for the exact same (migrated) config on the 1.3ghz machines.
Compared: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/6241285?baseline=6257484
2015 1.3 http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/6241285
2016 1.3 http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/6257484
For what its worth the improvement from 2015 - 2016 feels notably faster.2015 1.3 http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/6241285
2016 1.3 http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/6257484
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Yep! Last year I sold my couple months old 11" MBA and bought an iPad Air 2 and several different keyboards, only to sell that too, months later. The MBA was nice, but the screen was aggravating. Lack of vertical space and the low res was a deal breaker. And then the iPad never did everything I wanted. iOS was claustrophobic to get any real workflows it. The lack of easily accessible file system was difficult too. And finally it wasn't easy for lap typing.
And now, the 2016 m3! Everything the above was not while combing the best of both and even being better!
Posted some results for the MB2016 1.3 running GFXBench Manhattan 3.1 and T-Rex Metal benchmarks at 1080p Offscreen (compared to the iPad Pro). Hope to run the same test on the MB2016 1.1 and 1.2 soon.
barefeats.com/macbook2016b.html
Was able to compare the 1.1 to the 1.3 running GPUTest FurMark OpenGL, Heaven OpenGL, LuxMark 3 LuxBall OpenCL but have not posted results yet. Suffice to say that even though the Intel HD Graphics 515 in each is running at different clock speeds, the advantage of the 1.3 was only 8%, 3%, and 6% respectively.
barefeats.com/macbook2016b.html
Was able to compare the 1.1 to the 1.3 running GPUTest FurMark OpenGL, Heaven OpenGL, LuxMark 3 LuxBall OpenCL but have not posted results yet. Suffice to say that even though the Intel HD Graphics 515 in each is running at different clock speeds, the advantage of the 1.3 was only 8%, 3%, and 6% respectively.
What's up with the Intel Power Gadget? It seems that Intel has forgotten to update it. The base CPU frequency is always at 1.2 GHz. Although, I have the Core m7 – which Apple clocked at 1.3 GHz.
So what are we actually looking at, if we ran it on a Core m7? I'm confused. Are there other tools which can show you GPU stats, something like CPU-Z in Windows?
So what are we actually looking at, if we ran it on a Core m7? I'm confused. Are there other tools which can show you GPU stats, something like CPU-Z in Windows?
Hello, I want to get a MacBook and I have to place the order before Sep.5 to be able to receive a free Solo Beats headphones with the educational program.
I can get for the same price (1700€ in Italy) the m7 256GB or the m5 512GB. Which model would you get between these two? For the higher end m7 512MB 1900€ are required and I think it's really too much.
I'd get the m3 model (I'll use it mainly for coding) but I saw the m3 model is really much lower than m5 and m7 models
Which model would you suggest?
I can get for the same price (1700€ in Italy) the m7 256GB or the m5 512GB. Which model would you get between these two? For the higher end m7 512MB 1900€ are required and I think it's really too much.
I'd get the m3 model (I'll use it mainly for coding) but I saw the m3 model is really much lower than m5 and m7 models
Which model would you suggest?
Sorry, no benchmarks to offer, just anecdotal experience of a new rMB m7 user......For the past couple of months I've been considering going with the 12" MacBook (seeing it as a secondary computer especially great for travel).....so I've been reading loads of posts here and in other places. My initial impulse was to run over to the Apple Store and pick up an M5....but the more I thought about that the more I realized that the m7 probably would suit me better, especially as I am accustomed to the rMBP already. It wasn't a matter of urgency that I get the new machine into my hands BOOM! just like that, so I went ahead and ordered the m7 from Apple.com and was happily surprised when the wait was not nearly as long as I'd anticipated.
Wow, I am really delighted with this thing -- it is certainly light and thin but also delivers the goods, too, when I am online -- I can already see that this will be an ideal travel companion even though I haven't even finished setting her up yet. The speediness of this machine is close to my 2015 rMBP 13, although maybe not quite as fast if one were to measure, and that's OK. Works for me!
When trying to decide between the m5 and the m7 I realized that in the long run I would be buying the same accessories (Applecare, multiport dongle, sleeve, etc.) no matter which machine configuration I chose, and also that probably if I bought the m5 I'd always have that thought niggling in the back of my head, should I have bought the m7? I'm glad I went with the m7!
Wow, I am really delighted with this thing -- it is certainly light and thin but also delivers the goods, too, when I am online -- I can already see that this will be an ideal travel companion even though I haven't even finished setting her up yet. The speediness of this machine is close to my 2015 rMBP 13, although maybe not quite as fast if one were to measure, and that's OK. Works for me!
When trying to decide between the m5 and the m7 I realized that in the long run I would be buying the same accessories (Applecare, multiport dongle, sleeve, etc.) no matter which machine configuration I chose, and also that probably if I bought the m5 I'd always have that thought niggling in the back of my head, should I have bought the m7? I'm glad I went with the m7!
Sorry, no benchmarks to offer, just anecdotal experience of a new rMB m7 user......For the past couple of months I've been considering going with the 12" MacBook (seeing it as a secondary computer especially great for travel).....so I've been reading loads of posts here and in other places. My initial impulse was to run over to the Apple Store and pick up an M5....but the more I thought about that the more I realized that the m7 probably would suit me better, especially as I am accustomed to the rMBP already. It wasn't a matter of urgency that I get the new machine into my hands BOOM! just like that, so I went ahead and ordered the m7 from Apple.com and was happily surprised when the wait was not nearly as long as I'd anticipated.
Wow, I am really delighted with this thing -- it is certainly light and thin but also delivers the goods, too, when I am online -- I can already see that this will be an ideal travel companion even though I haven't even finished setting her up yet. The speediness of this machine is close to my 2015 rMBP 13, although maybe not quite as fast if one were to measure, and that's OK. Works for me!
When trying to decide between the m5 and the m7 I realized that in the long run I would be buying the same accessories (Applecare, multiport dongle, sleeve, etc.) no matter which machine configuration I chose, and also that probably if I bought the m5 I'd always have that thought niggling in the back of my head, should I have bought the m7? I'm glad I went with the m7!
Yeah, but would you have gotten nearly the same performance AND double the storage with the m5 for the same money? Does the difference between m5 and m7 offset the advantage of having double the storage? That's the question.
Inasmuch as I have not had experience with the m5, I can't answer the question as to the performance differences between the m5 and the m7. Since my m7 has the 1.3 ghz speed as well as the 512 GB SSD, I would like to think that, yes, for the extra money I paid for that configuration I am reaping benefits! The 512 GB SSD was an absolute "must." So far I have been very pleased with the new machine's speed; I notice that boot up takes a little longer than on my rMBP, but not significantly so, and the general everyday stuff that I've done on the new machine so far has come in with a responsiveness that is pleasing and satisfying. Is this new machine as powerful as my rMBP? No, but then again I did not expect it to be. It is offering me pretty much what I expected in terms of a lightweight, slim machine ideally suited to travel and also for use around the house and around town.
Let me answer this.
I have chosen the m7 256 for 1500€ against the m5 512 for nearly the same price (it was like 30€ more...)
Does this much little difference (in terms of "max" performance) worth as a 256GB ssd? NO
In pure terms of money, the m5 512 is a better choice (imho), but..
Looking at the charts given by Intel about Core m 2016 architecture, you can see the m7 being a much better champion in the silicon lottery compared with m3 and m5, allowing for example a difference of 500Mhz in turbo boost than his lower brother m5 (2.9 for m7 and 2.4 for m5, both cores on turbo).
This is just an example to check how much more efficient this core is, meaning it will be ALWAYS cooler than an m5 when running in same conditions (meaning less power consumption, less battery drain, and higher throttle threshold!).
I think this will be, in the long term, a better choice talking about productivity. Because, just like passing from a generation to another, this m7 will enhance (a little bit if course, this is not the rMB 2017
) all of the system performances (computational power, battery life, temperatures, throttling threshold and so on) while the bigger ssd just add additional (useful) space and write speed.This was my 2 cent about this, and i "bet" on the m7 256 in the end.
I also thought that, if you want to run Windows with bootcamp, the 512 will have a much greather impact on your system than simply focusing on storage.
In my case, I already have 2 Windows PCs (a desktop and a mobile workstation), while this machine will be the main travelling friend for work, study and free time. It doesn't really require to have a Windows partition on it, because (this rMB) it is not meant to be a all-round full functiional machine to use for every thing you have to to (a MBP would have been, but I didn't find a single reason to buy one except for those one depending on OSX software not available elsewhere).
OFC the best one overall is the m7 512. The one for lucky people without budget limits
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There is a difference yes, between 1.2 ghz and 1.3 ghz. I have not used an m5, only the m7 and therefore have not compared the two side-by-side. The configuration of the m7 I chose gives me both 512 GB SSD and a somewhat more powerful processor. To me it is worth the extra money.
Here is good site comparing all 3 models. The m5 beats m7 in term of sustainable performance due to less thottles
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Face-Off-Apple-MacBook-12-Core-m3-Core-m5-and-Core-m7.172046.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Face-Off-Apple-MacBook-12-Core-m3-Core-m5-and-Core-m7.172046.0.html
Thank you for that interesting site with the comparisons! As far as the throttling goes, apparently that is more of an issue when using Windows (I have never put Windows in any of my Macs -- years ago I bought my first Mac to get away from Windows. I do understand that there are those who need to have both OS in their Mac, especially for work purposes.). Also it is an issue when rendering videos, and that is not something I plan to do on my rMB; that kind of thing would be handled by the more powerful rMBP. My new little machine will be just perfect for the tasks I intend to perform on it and will be a great traveling companion.
This is physically impossible. Or they receive a faulty sample, or they're using it outside normal conditions.
An m7 is basically an m5 with better silicon. The only job he actually has, is not to throttle as the lil bro.
An m7 is basically an m5 with better silicon. The only job he actually has, is not to throttle as the lil bro.
Thanks very much for that article, which has cured me of all M7 envy
My usual policy is to get the maxed out version to avoid such feelings, but in this case I got the M5/512.
Actually an M7 was not really under consideration for me in this case, as I only decided to get a MacBook at all when I found a second hand but pristine M5/512 at £200 less than the Apple price. To get an M7 would have meant buying new for £300 more than I paid for my M5.
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All these reviews, which are using the Intel Power Gadget on a Mac, are wrong! Why? Because intel hasn't updated its tool for Skylake CPUs yet, thus the m7 clock speeds are displayed incorrectly. The m7 base frequency is 1.3 GHz in MacBook, and not as reported by the tool at 1.2 GHz. There is an offset in the results by at least 100 Hz.