Any chance for a silent update before november?

Discussion in 'MacBook Air' started by Shrek-Moscow, Jun 14, 2009.

  1. Shrek-Moscow macrumors member

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    I have a first revision MBA since it was released and in the last 2-3 months I was waiting too see if the new rev C MBA brings enough upgrades to become my new computer.

    At the moment I'm a bit disappointed because there has not been changes in SSD size compared to previous rev B MBA. For this reson I'm temptated to wait some more time to see if they'll use larger disks, however not more than 4-5 months.

    128 GB are not bad but.. 256 are even better!! :D

    I'm in love with my rev A MBA but I do need more gigas... now the point is: to wait or not to wait??

    :p
     
  2. leetleyang macrumors newbie

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    I'm planning on buying one now with the intention of babying it and selling it off when the next revision comes around. The itch is too much to bear! I'm assuming Apple is stalling on increasing RAM capacity, to coincide with the introduction of a larger SSD (and other minor improvements), for greater oompf. I'm also guessing Q1/2010. I can imagine Apple's PR department going to town with the embellishments, expounding on the n-fold performance improvements brought about by the faster/more capacious components, in combination with a stable Snow Leopard 10.6.x build.

    Until then, having a MacBook Air that can boot OS X 10.5.7 may be an insurance of sorts. Although, I'm sure nothing terrible will happen with OS X 10.6. :) I just hope the value of the current line doesn't depreciate too badly by then!
     
  3. Scottsdale macrumors 601

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    I have been going out on a limb and stating that I believe the MBA will get a new high end version and the current high end at $1799 will become the mid range MBA. I believe the new high end will sell for anywhere between $2199 and $2499.

    I am willing to bet it has 4 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD, better battery, and an OLED display. I think it will be the first Mac to get the OLED display, and I think all of these component updates are just around the bend. This current update got the MBA low end next version ready, but I would guess the SSD wasn't ready. And I think that Apple had intended to only offer the 4 GB RAM on the high end version. This all makes PERFECT SENSE if one thinks about it! I look for this update between now and November. IF SALES DON'T INCREASE WITH THESE NEW PRICE CUTS, THE MBA MAY NOT SEE ITS NEXT REVISION. I believe Apple is giving the MBA another chance.

    In addition, I think a new 15" MBA will be introduced at the same time. It could be as early as next month with Jobs introducing some new products like the iTablet and etc. Wouldn't Jobs want to introduce these new MBAs? I think so!

    I could be wrong, and I am definitely an optimist, but I would bet on it! The MBA is too cool to not evolve and continue to be the most fun anyone can have on a computer!
     
  4. Veinticinco macrumors 6502a

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    That last bit - bolded above - had me looking over at my Cube and shaking my head wistfully.

    God loves an optimist, and Scottsdale, you are certainly one. You know I was/am very much on the OLED wagon, and would love to have a 256GB SSD, at least 4GB RAM, 7 hour battery tech etc. in an MBA casing, but November??? I'm not even sure they'll have that wishlist in 2010. And if they do, I suspect it won't be in anodized black aluminium ;)

    I don't know, maybe it's my huge disappointment with Apple of late, but I don't see them as true 'innovators" anymore, progression seems to be slowed, possibly even artificially for marketing reasons, and we even see tech downgrades masquerading as improvements such as the removal of Express card slots, matte screens and stealth speed throttles, such as the SATA row going on re. the new MBPs. And let's not even go down the QC route, the MBA display issue alone is an absolute disgrace.

    If, as you theorise, this latest offering represents Apple giving the MBA a final chance, you may as well start writing its obituary now. The price reduction was unprecedented and welcome, but also smacked of discounting without improving the existing tech as they did with the 13" MB(P). My own theory is that they're simply keeping the form factor in production, like a coma patient, whilst using the resultant development time to squeeze the tech of the 13" MB(P) into the MBA case - and if they do, say goodbye to the Air brand, not that especially matters.

    Whatever, I'm majorly pissed off right now at Apple, and I for one don't see Steve appearing at any media event anytime soon with something to 'wow' me back. Maybe the iTablet but that's Q1/2 2010 at the earliest. If anything given the way their share price fluctuates at the merest update on his bowel movements, I think he'll want to keep a lower profile on his return, as a way of eventually paving the way and desensitizing the company and its stock from his inevitable departure at some point down the line.
     
  5. Shrek-Moscow thread starter macrumors member

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    I'll be really fine with 256 GB SSD and 4 GB of RAM!
    I can live without OLED and with actual battery life....

    However I'll wait at least untill september to have Snow Leopard pre-installed and in that days maybe we'll know some more rumors about MBA's future.

    I can't keep up waiting till 2010 spring.. otherwise, then, I'll have to wait untill Apple release next rumor's version and so on.. there will be never an end!
     
  6. glitch44 macrumors 65816

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    Didn't you predict 4GB / 256 SSD for WWDC/ 2 weeks after WWDC? You're an eternal optimist, Scottsdale, and that's great, but I think it's important to be realistic to those sitting on the fence trying to decide right now. And I think the realistic, safe bet is no more major MBA updates in 2009.

    The tone seems to be set for 2009: streamlining the laptop lines and price cuts to counter the "Laptop Hunter" ad campaign. Better value on the laptops, new operating system, and new iphones. That's 2009.
     
  7. qubex macrumors 6502

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    I suspect Apple does not wish to bump the Air's SSD to 256GB because they wish to maintain a "tense" relationship between the 13" MacBookPro and the MacBookAir. The former features a 256GB SSD as an option that increases it's price to 2,100 euro. The latter features a 128GB SSD for 1,700 euro.

    If they boost the Air's SSD to 256GB and charge less than 2,100 euro for it they'll essentially undercut their own 13" offering. On the other hand, they might gauge that the market would not be receptive towards a 256GB Air priced at more than 2,100 euro. This essentially constrains them bidimensionally to the current offering.

    That's pure speculation, but it's no different in character from anybody else's guesstimation.
     
  8. Gruber macrumors regular

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    Likely updates

    There is reason to believe that we will see an update of the Air in 2009, perhaps in late summer or in autumn.

    In this forum, people have been so overexpectant with respect to WWDC, that most authors missed the obvious: the Air has not received a real update. The only change that I have seen so far was the addition of the 2.13GHz option. That has been all! And to reflect that there has been no significant change, while the market went on, the price of the Air has been signicantly lowered.

    Some upgrades would have been no-brainers:
    - more memory
    - new trackpad (although some people maintain that the new glass trackpads would not fit)
    - better battery
    - upgrade of graphics chipset

    Some upgrades would have reflected the general sentiment of the majority of Air users:
    - at least one more USB port
    - thinner bezels for a more compact footprint instead of sharper corners
    - ports flush with one side if possible
    - sd card slot

    Some upgrades would have been feasible and really nice to have:
    - put ethernet and display adapter into the power brick
    - higher resolution screen (perhaps as an option; I would pay whatever it takes)

    Some upgrades would have been great but against Apple's habits:
    - perhaps re-introduce FW (time-machine does not work that well with USB)
    - get rid of the idiotic proprietary display connectors and give us something we can directly plug a projector into (I need my travel laptop for giving presentations)

    Some upgrades that people discussed around here are still infeasible and just due to wishful thinking:
    - 256GB SSD (not yet available at reasonable prices in 1.8")
    - OLED (there is no reasonably priced OLED screen available at any supplier!)
    (Scottsdale: you are pretty annoying this way. I am willing to take you up on your bets. 1) The next update of the Air will have no OLED. 2) There will be another update in 2009. What do you want to bet? I am offering you: If you win, I will never ever criticise you. If I win, you stop making predictions... But we could perhaps bet the price of a new Air?)


    Actually, I have to admit that I am not a big fan of the Air. I just want to have an ultraportable Mac. (Price does not matter, as long as it is cheaper than a car. I use the thing for actual work, and I get more work done if it is more portable.) The MBP 13 is too heavy, the MB is too flimsy and still too heavy, and the MBA is not really compact enough. What irks me is Apple's willingness to sacrifice functionality for form (which they did not do in the beautiful MBPs). My favorite Mac would have an 11inch high-res display, full-size keyboard, no optical drives, but the usual assortment of ports.

    Anyway, there is a reason that Apple has not updated the Air at WWDC. Not even with memory! Either, there is a new device in the works that is going to fill the ultraportable segment in Apple's portfolio (the MBA is perhaps not very profitable). Or Apple is preparing a major revision of the Air for early autumn.
     
  9. Shrek-Moscow thread starter macrumors member

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    Here we are! I totaly agree with you, that's exactly what I was thinking even before opening this thread.

    So far, MBA has not been updated! Basically the MBA is the same rev B with minor updates.. it's disappointing!

    The difference between rev A and B was huge than I was expecting something similar... My rev A MBA is working fine ad is still perfect, I don't really need an update, I just want to change it.. the difference is that they have to do something interesting to convince me to move on new version..

    ;)
     
  10. Veinticinco macrumors 6502a

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    Well spare a thought for those of us who don't currently have an MBA, having ditched the rev.A for being underpowered, and returned their THREE rev.Bs due to unacceptable displays. The people who love the form factor but feel Apple have done nothing to upgrade the product whilst lavishing upgrades aplenty on the 13"MBP. Yes, the 13" MBP which those very same people would defect to in an instant if only it wasn't for that extra 1.5lb/600g weight and horrible black glass bezel and mirror-like display. Oh and of course the wonderful 'black ops' decision to throttle back the SATA controller but not think to tell anyone hoping they wouldn't notice.

    Yes for people like us, there is nothing out there currently, and we retain our right to be pissed off and rightly so.
     
  11. dudeitsjay macrumors regular

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    Gauntlet. Thrown.




    on a side note, I'm betting on an Q4 update.
     
  12. Scottsdale macrumors 601

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    Why does everyone always say this? Of course Apple would rather sell an MBA at a higher margin than a MBP! It is crazy to think that Apple wouldn't want an MBA sale for an MBP lost sale. Especially when it's talking more money for the MBA sale, and with definitely lower component costs.

    If Apple could sell an MBA for let's say $2299 over a MBP with added SSD for the same price, Apple will take the MBA sale every time.
     
  13. veterator macrumors member

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    I think an update would come about the time that Snow Leopard releases - or at least around Halloween through Thanksgiving (Oct-Nov).
     
  14. Scottsdale macrumors 601

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    After re-reading it, I am willing to say a new high end MBA, but my OLED claim is a thought that Apple would most likely introduce an OLED on an MBA first to drive up hype and yet another reason to buy an MBA. AND, the MBA most needs the OLED display to save the battery life. I totally see Apple introducing the OLED first in an MBA, but it may not be this year. I may be wrong... of course not willing to bet the price of an MBA, LMAO. I am as others put it, an eternal optimist. At the end of the day, it's much more fun to be optimistic and hopeful for the MBA we all want. Willing to put $10 on the MBA I predicted, but not the price of the MBA and most certainly not at the price of muting my itchy typing fingers and brain/heart on the hopes of my favorite Mac ever! LMAO!!!
     
  15. Scottsdale macrumors 601

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    Who is the chicken... take me up on the $10. Or give me a real reason to bet. Not just if you win, I lose my fun of talking up the MBA and the price of an MBA. There doesn't seem to be a real reason for me to bet. I am not even 50% certain Apple will do it now, so it would be a stupid bet. I am better off putting my money on red/black on the roulette wheel, LOL.
     
  16. frimple macrumors 6502

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    What a productive helpful comment... banhammer ho!
     
  17. Maven1975 macrumors 6502a

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    They can keep the bezel the same size. Just reduce the size if the internal components an add additional battery life. If they add 4 gb or ram, there goes the logic board's reduction in size.

    My #1 impossible request. Relocate the damn vents on the bottom.

    It will be interesting to see what they do.
     
  18. stoconnell macrumors 6502

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    I second the nomination for new vent locations (unfortunately, it would probably necessitate changing the graceful taper on the back of the machine to more of slab -- think, adamo) .. makes it hard to work with your feet propped up on a table with the machine in your lap -- ergonomics be damned! ;)
     
  19. glitch44 macrumors 65816

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    Well, here we go again. Before WWDC people posted aggressively optimistic desires/ predictions which quickly get considered to be foregone conclusions (MBA with 3G! 256GB SSD!). I tried to reason that it would be unlikely Apple would spend the money on R&D for a brand new Air with all their effort going to the new iphone. With the economic downturn, a price cut seemed like a good way to stimulate sales (I guessed $100-200 which was surprisingly small compared to the $700 SSD pricecut).

    But here we are again talking about OLED displays and such. There may be a new Air eventually (unless Apple just keeps it that murky product coma or EOLs it) but I think you guys often talk yourselves into an over-optimistic frenzy.

    I think it's highly unlikely we'll see a new Air in 2009. Apple is hunkering down and concentrating on "increased value for your money" by cutting prices to compete with the Laptop Hunter series, which was turning out to be successful. I doubt they're going to release a crazy expensive OLED displayed, 256 GB SSD in this economic climate.

    I'll gladly be proven wrong, but that's my take on things.
     
  20. iMacmatician macrumors 601

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    I agree completely, I also think the next update will be in 2010. 256 GB SSD? Whenever that becomes available. If we don't see an updated design in the Arrandale update, I think that Apple either wants to keep a design distinction between the three notebook lines or decides to wait until the next major case update to the Air.

    I think the next MacBook Air update will be (not changed much since pre-WWDC):
    • 13" display (1280x800), maybe additional 15" (1440x900)
    • Arrandale LV CPUs
    • 4 GB RAM *
    • Integrated graphics
    • Same basic design and ports
    • Same prices (15" would be more expensive)
    • H1 2010
    * Note on RAM: I am being optimistic here. The MacBook first went 1/2 GB in late 2007. The initial MacBook Air in early 2008 was 2 GB. The 13" MacBook Pro was 2/4 GB in mid 2009. So if this previous pattern holds, I'd say a late 2009 update is the latest possible update for 4 GB (which means that an update after late 2009 would have 4 GB), since a hypothetical 2007 MacBook Air may have had 1 GB or 2 GB.

    EDIT: Just noticed the thread number is 720000. Maybe this nice round number means a great next update to the MacBook Air. :D
     
  21. aleksandra. macrumors 6502a

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    So, what I understood from your post: you want an Apple netbook, but since it doesn't exist, you expect MacBook Air to become a netbook? And because you're apparently annoyed by people who write relatively long posts with their predictions of the next revision, you do exactly the same, only in bold and color? :rolleyes:

    You mention a valid point that many people still overlook: Air was actually the "test" notebook to introduce many new things that later found their way to other models. It was the first to get unibody case. It was the first to get non-removable battery (latest refresh is small enough to convince me some of the new tech was already in use in rev A and B, and it was only refined in the last year or so). It was the first to be sold with SSD. It was the first Apple notebook without FireWire. It was the first to get backlit MacBook-style keyboard.

    I think it's reasonable to assume that if it didn't get black bezel or glass trackpads, then there are technical issues preventing this. We could also suppose that unless it's EOLed, it has a chance of being the first with OLED screen, when Apple adopts this. Or silver-zinc battery. Or 3G/4G, if Apple chooses to include it at some point. Or other technology it could use.

    I used to think 15" Air rumor was very improbable, but it was the first thing I thought of when I read that 13" MB was now a MBP. Two different lines? The only problem would be that for MacBook Air - less powerful line - to sell, it would have to be cheaper, and I don't see it happening soon (although we're getting closer). I omit MacBook White from it, because it seems to be a dying product, an old design kept only for low entry price. Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't think of any other purpose for it.

    I think one thing that would have really, really helped Air would be only SSD options. I realize at first SSD was ridiculously expensive and not offering a HDD model would have made it even less popular, but it was HDD one that the Air was judged by. All the reviews of revision A included HDD version, minus comparison done by AnandTech (not so coincidentally the only favorable one). However, last October revision B with SSD started shipping earlier than HDD version - and this time all reviews I've read included it and were positive, comparing the results to the previous reviews of HDD version revision A and stating huge improvement. This somewhat helped its reputation, but Air is still viewed as being very expensive and underpowered. When a refresh was announced at WWDC, I really hoped it meant SSDs (of different sizes) in both models. I suppose we could see it in the next refresh, $300 difference is closer than ever.
     
  22. Gruber macrumors regular

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    No, I have no use for netbooks. As many others, I want an ultraportable full-featured notebook. I am willing to pay quite a bit more than for a MBP, because for me, additional portability is really worth it.

    Yes. I enjoy reading the rumors, but I am annoyed if they seem baseless. I apologize if I annoyed you.
    BTW: I think that your predictions are very reasonably argued!

    The screen of the Air has more flex than the unibody MBPs. The glossy black glass bezel might not be a good addition.
    The glass trackpad might simply be missing because Apple did not really touch the external design since RevA.

    Fully agree. But currently, there is no large OLED supplier in the market. These things are still in the lab/prototype stage. Even Sony's little super-expensive OLED TV sports only a coarse resolution.
    Our esteemed Mr. Scottsdale keeps mentioning a deal with LG. This is just wishful thinking. LG tells us that their screens are not going to be available before mid 2010 or perhaps early 2011.

    I really can not see that. The Air is considerably cheaper than its immediate competitors from Sony, Lenovo and Dell. It is placed as a top-of-the-line device. (It is ok if the kids whine about the price; they are not the target clientele.) It is also fast enough when compared to the competition.
    All reviews that I have read so far concede that the Air RevB is pleasantly fast. (And I have four colleagues which use it, they all think that the specs are ok. They all complain about missing ports, though.)
    And with the post WWDC pricing, the Air is almost a bargain.
     
  23. gri macrumors 6502a

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    Just a though

    Don't quote me on the following but wasn't the rumor that Steve Jobs would come back mid-2009? Now "knowing" SJ I cannot see him just coming back to the office one morning but rather re-appearing on some event (mainly for the share holders, better than just announcing that he is back). Now, as it was correctly stated that a) the MBA didn't get a real revision and b) that Apple has (as someone official from Apple said) some pretty good ideas what they would do for a netbook - could that not indicate that there will be an event with SJ, in which some ultra-portable Mac will be announced and that they held the MBA back for that reason - something like a real netbook on the one hand and a real MBA Rev C' for those who want a full but ultraportable computer...?Could be to introduce SnowLeopard =and than one last thing... Tada

    Just a thought. :cool:
     

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