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We already went over this I believe. There is also another explanation which is more reasonable in this case IMO. Apple only updates GPUs when they change the logic board design. So they tend to change GPU and CPU in the same go. The 6750M to 6770M upgrade you give as an example does not count here because these GPUs are basically identical and do not require a redesign of the mainboard. When Haswell update came, the Maxwell GPUs were not yet available and they probably did not want to redesign the logic board again in 2014 to incorporate the new GPU. However, in 2015, they have no excuse. So they will either drop the dGPU completely or give us a new one. But I would not see the lack of redesign in 2014 as a sign that dGPU is being dropped — first of all, they could have done it back then if they wanted (difference between Iris Pro and 750M is not that big) and secondly, it is not the first time where 15" MBP used integrated graphics in all but higher-end models.
That is not a very good excuse. Redesigning the logic board is a piece of cake. It is a different chip but that mostly affects the software driver. On the board it is the same memory interface, the same power rails, the same everything except for a slightly bigger chip to fit on it. Apple engineers with their money and time can do that easily and they get engineering samples way ahead of time to get that done.
There is a company with huge resources and definitely the biggest volume in 2000$+ notebook shipments from all. They have a reputation to defend. And they go almost three quarters of a year without a very significant upgrade - that is like not adding quad cores but sticking with dual cores -, just because the they are too lazy to fit a new chip on their logic board.
That is just not reason enough. I don't see how that is reasonable.

The reason they didn't drop the dGPU with the 750M might be that the over-clocked 650M was essentially exactly as fast as the current under-clocked 750M and thus slightly faster than the Iris Pro. It is close but still slower which would be all that is left in the mind of people absorbing the reviews in the press. Iris Pro 2 should be about 40% faster than 1 and thus slightly faster to quite a bit faster than the 750M and almost never slower.
Why did they include Iris Pro at all is the better question. It is a bit pointless. With the standard Quad Cores being the more reasonable options. Probably because they had everything set to drop the dGPU and waited to see the actual performance and decided against it very late, when it got clear that Intels drivers would not deliver enough of the theoretical performance which could put Iris Pro ahead of a 750M.
 
It looks like the GTX 960m, the GTX 950m, and geforce 940m models are unfortunately just going to be die shrinks of their current architecture found in the 7**m series :(

http://videocardz.com/54394/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960m-gtx-950m-and-940m-soon-in-laptops

If this is true, then I am supremely disappointed and waiting for a new macbook with the 9 series mobile GPU's will be fairly pointless, UNLESS they opt for a 965m or 970m which I do not see happening.
 
No. The 680m GTX was and continues to be a high end gaming mGPU. In fact, the newer 980m GTX is ranked as THE best single card right now.

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Might be true, but how will they justify $2500 for a model with integrated graphics only. Even now it seems a little high, even for Apple. Also, who would step up to that model if there isn't anything that really steps it apart. I think dGPU will stay in the top end model for awhile. I don't see how else they set it apart unless they bump storage way up.

980m and 680m aren't the same thing and it's still a mobile chip in a desktop, which again, is laughable when you talk about "serious gaming" Look at high end gaming laptops, they have a couple 980's in them and those still pale in comparison to an actual "serious gaming" desktop which is what an iMac is. (desktop that is, not one for "serious gaming")

For anyone who is still in denial and thinks Mac's ever had a machine intended for serious gaming, put up your benchmarks, i'll put up mine for what I consider is a serious gaming PC, and when then PC destroys the mac, i'd like to know what you would call the PC if you think the Mac is intended for "serious" gaming.

I'm not bashing Apple or their products, I own several as well as gaming PC's. They aren't intended for serious gaming and they never have been.

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Might be a good time to remind you of Mac only Developers like Bungie - even before Halo and then Micro$oft stubbing it out.

Halo would fly on a G3PPC iMac - by the time Micro$oft 'ported' it back it was literally 'game over'.



You think it's a good idea to remind me of a 13 year old game and developers for mac? Really? Why do you think that's a good idea? So that I can remind you of how Halo is 13 years old, is on PC and compare how many gaming developers there are for PC vs Mac? I don't think you want to play this game.
 
980m and 680m aren't the same thing and it's still a mobile chip in a desktop, which again, is laughable when you talk about "serious gaming" Look at high end gaming laptops, they have a couple 980's in them and those still pale in comparison to an actual "serious gaming" desktop which is what an iMac is. (desktop that is, not one for "serious gaming")

For anyone who is still in denial and thinks Mac's ever had a machine intended for serious gaming, put up your benchmarks, i'll put up mine for what I consider is a serious gaming PC, and when then PC destroys the mac, i'd like to know what you would call the PC if you think the Mac is intended for "serious" gaming.

I'm not bashing Apple or their products, I own several as well as gaming PC's. They aren't intended for serious gaming and they never have been.

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You think it's a good idea to remind me of a 13 year old game and developers for mac? Really? Why do you think that's a good idea? So that I can remind you of how Halo is 13 years old, is on PC and compare how many gaming developers there are for PC vs Mac? I don't think you want to play this game.

Dude, you are all over the place. First you call the 680m GTX a mid range card/mid range gaming laptop card, which is 100% false. Even now it's ranked 6th under HIGH END GPU's on notebookcheck.com. The 980m GTX, which is a successor, is 1st. (For single mGPU's).

But now you go off that it sucks because it's in a desktop, and other gaming laptops have crossfire/SLI, and you have some nerd PC/40lb laptop that can benchmark better, and yadi yadi yada.

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The new version of the Razer Blade (which obviously copies a lot of it's design from the Macbook Pro) has Nvidia 970m graphics:
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade

I'd tempted to get one if they actually sold it in the UK (which they don't)

I would be so hesitant to buy something that expensive from Razer. Their customer support is sooooo bad, haha. Any time I contact them via email I get written back in broken english, and they ask the same questions over and over. Maybe it's better support for the laptops. That's one reason I stick with Apple. I can walk into a store and get whatever I need fixed taken care of. Dell was like that too. They'd send someone out next day to fix hardware, no runaround.
 
It looks like the GTX 960m, the GTX 950m, and geforce 940m models are unfortunately just going to be die shrinks of their current architecture found in the 7**m series :(

http://videocardz.com/54394/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960m-gtx-950m-and-940m-soon-in-laptops

If this is true, then I am supremely disappointed and waiting for a new macbook with the 9 series mobile GPU's will be fairly pointless, UNLESS they opt for a 965m or 970m which I do not see happening.

If they did a die shrink, then it would be lower power. So, Apple could use a higher-end dGPU that has the same wattage as they had before. So, if the 965M is 45 watts just like the 750M, then they could use that instead.
 
Dude, you are all over the place. First you call the 680m GTX a mid range card/mid range gaming laptop card, which is 100% false. Even now it's ranked 6th under HIGH END GPU's on notebookcheck.com. The 980m GTX, which is a successor, is 1st. (For single mGPU's).

But now you go off that it sucks because it's in a desktop, and other gaming laptops have crossfire/SLI, and you have some nerd PC/40lb laptop that can benchmark better, and yadi yadi yada.

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I would be so hesitant to buy something that expensive from Razer. Their customer support is sooooo bad, haha. Any time I contact them via email I get written back in broken english, and they ask the same questions over and over. Maybe it's better support for the laptops. That's one reason I stick with Apple. I can walk into a store and get whatever I need fixed taken care of. Dell was like that too. They'd send someone out next day to fix hardware, no runaround.

I'm not all over the place if you actually read what I'm saying. I've made the distinction between mobile and desktop GPU's from the start. You do realize there's a difference right?

Again, if you want to argue, we can put this to rest very easily. Please post your gaming benchmarks that the macs built for "serious gaming" are able to achieve and I'll do the same for PC's.

A mobile GPU in a desktop does indeed suck if you're intending to do "serious gaming". That's what full size, full power desktop GPU's are for. Or do you think they're the same thing? Honestly, the only way you can possibly be this confused is if you think they're the same, or if you're just trying really hard to make an iMac what it isn't. A serious gaming machine... But you wont' post any benchmarks will you? Thanks for playing.
 
Having dGPU is still much better than not having one. Serious FPS (frames per second not first person shooting) only use desktop. Those with mobile GPUs even with SLI know they can't game without throttling for extended hours e.g. 7 continuous hours or more) so I don't consider them as serious gaming machine. Perfect gaming experience can't be really achieved in the highest spec gaming laptop since they will throttle at some point while desktops won't due to superior cooling. Don't give me that crap that says oh my mobile CPU and GPU only reached 80 degrees while gaming. I bet if that laptop ran gaming for 3 continuous days, it would've severely throttled already while the desktop is just performing flawlessly.
 
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