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Well I see x86 as a Ferrari and ARM as a Bicycle...dddddddddddddddddd
Have you compared Core M with the A9X? That's comparing apples to apples.

Intel can scale up, but computers have reached the speed where even the slowest processors on the market serve most consumers' needs now. Maybe the x86 maxes out at a V12 in a Porsche or Ferrari, but ARM has matched the 4 cylinder engine in a Honda Civic and gets better gas mileage. If you mostly drive your car during rush hour to and from work, what's the better value? Similarly, if you mostly just browse and check email, what's the better value? The iPad Pro has a nice big screen, and has some nice peripherals to match. Office 365 for iOS is adequate for most consumer needs.

The other thing to remember is that PCs (maybe not Macs) are cheap enough that someone can keep one around for the rare occasions they need the connectivity, etc. So someone living in the city is just fine owning a Honda Civic or Acura TLX. Sure, they can't bring home a new kitchen sink from Home Depot in the trunk, but they can just rent a U-Haul when they need to. So maybe an iPad Pro can't read an old USB key or DVD, but a cheap PC that stays in a drawer most of the time is around for those rare occasions.
 
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We currently have a pair of rMBs in the house, and are not getting an iPP. I looked at it tonight and compared it to the rMB that was next to it - man, that thing is huge! With a keyboard cover, it would be much more awkward and harder to carry/pack, than the little rMB.

As others have said, iPP is just a consumption device. From me, the rMB does both.
 
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We currently have a pair of rMBs in the house, and are not getting an iPP. I looked at it tonight and compared it to the rMB that was next to it - man, that thing is huge! With a keyboard cover, it would be much more awkward and harder to carry/pack, than the little rMB.

As others have said, iPP is just a consumption device. From me, the rMB does both.
I'm not gonna fault you. The IPP is huge, and the rMB is smaller. That said, there is something about the IPP that I like. I can afford both, so don't really care. That said, for someone who can afford one but not both I'd probably recommend the rMB. I don't think Tim Cook cares one way or the other as long as he sells you something.
 
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I got the iPP and returned it a day later. My rMB does everything I need and then some while maintaining a sleek, portable profile. The iPP is awesome and does everything better than my Air 2, but it was just too big. I would have to get a bigger bag to carry the iPP whereas my rMB and Air2 complement each other perfectly. My iPhone 6s Plus bridges the gap when I don't need the bigger size of the iPad. The immersive screen of the iPP is great. I had some regret returning it.
Why did you even get the iPad pro then?
 
Could not imagine being tied to strictly iOS for productivity. There's just to much limitations compared to Mac OS, I use statistical software (SPSS) all the time for marketing research and I could never make that switch. Even I did not have to such intensive programs switching to iPad Pro would be useless, I don't see any added benefits in using a larger iPad. Somehow though Apple will convince me to get one when I go into the store in the coming weeks. I just don't understand the extra real estate, for portability purposes I guess. I just can't get past using word processing program on the iPad, it seems so linear and restrictive opposed to Mac OS like I said earlier.
 
Once the hype clears and iPad Pro's are commonplace we'll find out the truth about their usefulness. Until then it meaningless drivel.

I think you need to re read no one is particularly saying the IPP won't sell they are simply expressing their opinion why they would or would not buy it. We are certainly not the best representative group of potential purchasers nor is numbers sold necessarily representative of usefulness relative to alternatives others may or may not consider.
 
I think this sums it up nicely, however if you have very modest requirements the IPP could full fill more for you than the average user who's use to a full laptop

The hardware and real estate is nice and gives a premium experience but you still have the normal stunted connectivity, Apps etc that goes with any Ipad type device

If you also read some of the reviews by graphics designers and artists they are complimentary about the pencil and the mobile apps but they seem to view it more of sketching tool and all revert to their full laptops for finishing off or to get the best results/options.

If you are a non OSX user the Surface Pro 4 makes much more sense than a rMB/IPP combo or any other laptop/IPP combo
I'd agree with you until your last sentence - I've got a SP2 and it's brilliant as a laptop replacement, but useless as a tablet. I think we're a few years away from a truly convergent device that is good at both tasks (which is why I carry a rMB and an Air 2 ;))
 
I have the iPP and will be getting the rMB 2gen in March or April. I'll use my iPP for illustration, sketching, movies, music, etc. The rMB will be like someone said earlier in the thread (the finisher) I'll use better photo editing apps on OSX to clean up any issues with my projects.
I hope the next update will make the rMB a little more capable. I don't want a Pro unless the size and weight are reduced considerably.
Having an updated 12" rMB + iPad Pro + iPhone 6s Plus would be an absolute dream.



Kal.
 
I'd agree with you until your last sentence - I've got a SP2 and it's brilliant as a laptop replacement, but useless as a tablet. I think we're a few years away from a truly convergent device that is good at both tasks (which is why I carry a rMB and an Air 2 ;))

I don't disagree if you are a heavy consumer of what an Ipad ish device has to offer then the SP4 won't fill all the gaps but if your like me with just a dozen or so apps it's a bit easier :)

I also tried bluestacks that lets you run most Android apps in Windows (and the equivalent Apple apps) which could be a good compromise for some, till MS Store bulks up a bit for those who love apps
 
It wasn't just the lack of apps as much as the whole tablet experience: It may have changed now with the later SPs but it just felt clunky without the keyboard attached and using it as a tablet: The onscreen keyboard, switching from landscape to portrait, and the finger interaction was all far poorer than an iPad. I still have my SP2 but it gets used exclusively as an ultra-portable computer (and not even that very often now I have my rMB)
 
It wasn't just the lack of apps as much as the whole tablet experience: It may have changed now with the later SPs but it just felt clunky without the keyboard attached and using it as a tablet: The onscreen keyboard, switching from landscape to portrait, and the finger interaction was all far poorer than an iPad. I still have my SP2 but it gets used exclusively as an ultra-portable computer (and not even that very often now I have my rMB)

Maybe it's time for a re-try :)

I am going to give the SP4 a spin to see if it's comparable to my rMB or if there are some niggles that get on my wick like the kick stand. The tablet side of it is just a bonus for me even if I only play with it 5 or 10% of the time in that mode as I do not have a tablet/ Ipad any more.

Our last Ipad I gave to the in-laws as they said everyone on these granny world cruise's has one and attend on-board classes to learn how to use them and they felt left out. I put 3 versions of solitaire on there and they feel maxed out with apps now LOL
 
I love being tied to iOS for productivity. I use a keyboard and command and tab and split screen. On the iPad pro this is a great experience. I can then Bring the device into my lap to read an article or book. For me the ability to do too much on the MacBook was distracting. I don't need all that. I have a cheap $100 kangaroo pc for the few things I need a full pic for, like managing my movie collection and running kodi.

Overall I'm loving the iPad vs the rMB.
 
I love being tied to iOS for productivity. I use a keyboard and command and tab and split screen. On the iPad pro this is a great experience. I can then Bring the device into my lap to read an article or book. For me the ability to do too much on the MacBook was distracting. I don't need all that. I have a cheap $100 kangaroo pc for the few things I need a full pic for, like managing my movie collection and running kodi.

Overall I'm loving the iPad vs the rMB.

Congrats if the IPP suits your requirements I am sure you and many more will be completely satisfied :)
 
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