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Despite a few minor revisions, the LG Ultrafine 5K is nearly 5 years old and with no other retina 5K displays on the market that connect via Thunderbolt, a Mac owner is wondering what to do with all this Apple Silicon power and nothing reasonably priced to plug it into. I tried using a 4K gaming display at 144hz, which was nice, but I just want the proper retina experience.

Virtual CES is just around the corner, and I'm hoping some display manufacturers (looking at you LG) have something new to announce that will work well with Macs. While I would guess LG is waiting for the iMac revision to do a standalone display, I'd love something sooner.

So any rumors, thoughts, or speculation about new monitors?
 
it looks like there are a ton of 4k 16:9 monitors with

FALD + mini LED with 500-1100 dimming zones. Basically the windows version of Pro Display XDR with a ton more interoperability and customization




no new 5k2k monitors =(

the LG panel on the 34wk95u and msi are just trash.
 
Yeah, I got an LG 27" gaming monitor, which actually runs at 144hz in Big Sur, which is nice, but next to a LG 27" Ultrafine, it looked blurry and ultimately, that's more important.

Hope Apple releases a new consumer display when they refresh the MacBook Pros again.
 
and a ton less PPI.

it’s depressing to me that not a single mid-20s/4K panel is listed on that page.

There seems to be 3 main markets for monitors:

1. Cheap office monitors.

2. Ultrawide, 30-46" monitors.

3. High-refresh rate gaming monitors.

Then a weird niche of Mac users who want to attach a laptop to a retina monitor. If Apple didn't contractually require LG to maintain the Ultrafine 5K series, we'd be screwed.
 
From TFTCentral:

An interesting new panel size/format has appeared in their [LG] plans as well. The LM400RW1-SSA1 is expected to go in to production in Q1 2021 and will offer a 40″ sized IPS panel. It has a 5120 x 2160 resolution which is an ultrawide format close to 21:9 aspect ratio. This panel would be curved with a 2500R and offers 1000:1 contrast ratio, 300 cd/m2 brightness and 98% DCI-P3 specs so far.

So no HDR, and I don't expect it to go above 60Hz unfortunately.
 
There seems to be 3 main markets for monitors:

1. Cheap office monitors.

2. Ultrawide, 30-46" monitors.

3. High-refresh rate gaming monitors.

Then a weird niche of Mac users who want to attach a laptop to a retina monitor. If Apple didn't contractually require LG to maintain the Ultrafine 5K series, we'd be screwed.

(a) I don’t use a laptop as my primary Mac.
(b) Why is wanting to use a high PPI display with a laptop “weird”?

Dell have had a mixed history of high PPI displays: a 4K 24” (mostly discontinued), a 5K 27” (absolutely discontinued), an 8K 31.5” (still available for now).

The problem with “just buy the xdr” is twofold: it’s massive overkill for what most of us need (colour reproduction accuracy is 0% of my decision making; exactly how accurate do you think syntax highlighted code needs to be to make sense to me?), and the requirement to run from tb3/USB-c makes it a non-starter for the majority of eGPU users.
 
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(a) I don’t use a laptop as my primary Mac.
(b) Why is wanting to use a high PPI display with a laptop “weird”?

Dell have had a mixed history of high PPI displays: a 4K 24” (mostly discontinued), a 5K 27” (absolutely discontinued), an 8K 31.5” (still available for now).

The problem with “just buy the xdr” is twofold: it’s massive overkill for what most of us need (colour reproduction accuracy is 0% of my decision making; exactly how accurate do you think syntax highlighted code needs to be to make sense to me?), and the requirement to run from tb3/USB-c makes it a non-starter for the majority of eGPU users.
For something you stare at daily for hours at a time for work I would say it is worth the price when you factor in how long you will have it, the build quality, the image quality/accuracy.

Why spend 1300+ tax on a 27" Ultrafine and not just spring for the XDR?
 
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The display I'd like to see:
32" with NATIVE 5k resolution.
(probably not gonna happen)
 
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The display I'd like to see:
32" with NATIVE 5k resolution.
(probably not gonna happen)
I agree. I want a 32" version of the 5K Ultrafine.
 
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when you factor in how long you will have it, the build quality, the image quality/accuracy.

Ok so let's put some things in perspective here, because you either didn't read my comment or didn't understand it.

I'm using 2 x 24" 4K displays: the Dell P2415Q, to be specific. I'm half-heartedly looking for a third right now, but I'm not holding my breath to find one domestically. The only use I have for the displays (that matters, as it's a business expense) is software development, and what's now mostly called "ops".

So, for 80% of my work, I'm looking at either an IDE - i.e., a screen full of text - or somewhere from 1 to.. maybe 20 terminal windows - i.e., a screen full of text.

So your first two points (how long you'll have it, and build quality) don't really seem relevant to me. Nobody is comparing a bargain basement display. I see no problems with the build quality of the Dells I have now, and given that they sold them unchanged bar a firmware update, for 5 years there seems to be no reason to expect it to not last well past the useful (for work) time of the Mac mini they're currently connected to.

As far as "image quality/accuracy" goes: as I implied in my earlier post, and specifically explained above in this post: I spend 80% of my time reading and writing text in an IDE/Terminal. If you add in the time spent talking to clients via email/chat, it's probably 90%. The last 10% of the time I'm likely using a browser - maybe split 60/40 between looking at the thing I'm working on (which often just means more text, but in a browser) and reading documentation... which is also text.


So. Exactly how much accuracy do you think I need in my text? I mean, my IDE does colourise the syntax, to make it easier to skim read. It also adds little hints, a bit like spelling hints in a word processor, e.g. to help identify a likely mistyped variable name... So how exactly do you see the extra colour accuracy of Display P3 vs "99% sRGB" being in any way meaningful to me? These are some screenshots from the settings pane of my IDE, showing the various ways syntax would be highlighted.. if you can tell me how the XDR would help me display this text, I'm all ears.

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Why spend 1300+ tax on a 27" Ultrafine and not just spring for the XDR?

Ok so first off: I didn't buy the 27" Ultrafine. They weren't even available in this country when I bought my first Dell, I don't remember if they'd appeared in the store yet when I bought the second.

So, if my current displays, and the XDR were both options to buy at the same time, why would I not "just spring for the
XDR". So for the price of a single "standard glass" XDR, I could buy at least 9, and at that volume I could probably bargain it to 10 P2415Q's.. each of which includes a stand by the way. A 23.8" screen has about 55% of the 'screen area' of a 32" display, and a 4K display has about 40% of the pixels of a 6K display. So, depending on whether you want raw pixel count or visible area, you're looking at either 2 or 3 P2415Qs, and you're "above and beyond" what a single XDR gives - for 20.5 / 30.7 % the price. Still including a stand.

To answer your literal question, which is how the decision might appear if I were buying displays now:
The 27" Ultrafine is 1300 USD without tax - if you adjust for FX and VAT here the price is remarkably similar.
The "standard glass" XDR is 5000 USD without tax - if you adjust for FX and VAT here the price is actually a little bit lower, but let's use the USD prices as they're what it's based on anyway.

For the price of a single XDR, you could buy 3 (I won't pretend the Apple store will negotiate for four) 27" Ultrafines... which also include a stand each. A 5K 27” is about 70% the screen area (physically and in pixels) of a 6K 31.5”. Two would give you significantly more space for 60% of the cost.

Is the colour accuracy exactly the same? I don't care. It literally does not matter to me.

Does that mean I agree with the people who call the XDR "over priced" or scoff because it doesn't include a stand? No. I'm sure it's priced in the ballpark for the market it's aimed at, and I'm sure people who are going to use a VESA arm anyway appreciate the option to not buy a stand they'll just take off.

Here's the key thing to take away, that you clearly didn't grasp when from my earlier reply: the XDR does not have any advantages for my work. I'm sure it's better than what I use or the LG's for some types of work.
 
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I've wondered if there is much of a market for consumer-level 5K and 6K computer displays. The lack of variety seems to indicate there may not be, or the relatively low cost of 4K displays would strongly discourage many consumers from purchasing a 5K/6K one...I wound up going for 27-inch UltraSharps overs the LG 5Ks for a variety of reasons, and cost was one of them.

That said, I, too, think a 32-inch 5K display would be awesome.
 
ya im not reading all that. TLDR it or GTFO.

Because reading is hard, I even had this at the bottom:

Here's the key thing to take away, that you clearly didn't grasp when from my earlier reply: the XDR does not have any advantages for my work. I'm sure it's better than what I use or the LG's for some types of work.

I find it quite curious that reading a couple of paragraphs of text (there’s literally even pictures to look at part way through) discussing the why/why not to buy a piece of equipment is too much. Perhaps that explains the attitude of “**** it just buy it” - no concept of whether it’s a good fit for purpose.
 
Hey All,

Thought I'd ask here instead of adding new thread. I am out of touch with the recent monitor tech development, but I am in the market for a new one given CES is coming up and maybe some older models will go on sale. I currently have (hold the laughs) an 24" ACD that has been holding on well for the last 10 years. But I want to replace the ****** dell monitor that I use for my 2nd display.

I use my setup purely for home office work, no gaming, no photo/video editing. I just upgraded to a new GPU (metal support) so I have HDMI/DP/DVI.

My budget is flexible. I am a bit overwhelmed on where to begin researching for brand/models.
 
Hey All,

Thought I'd ask here instead of adding new thread. I am out of touch with the recent monitor tech development, but I am in the market for a new one given CES is coming up and maybe some older models will go on sale. I currently have (hold the laughs) an 24" ACD that has been holding on well for the last 10 years. But I want to replace the ****** dell monitor that I use for my 2nd display.

I use my setup purely for home office work, no gaming, no photo/video editing. I just upgraded to a new GPU (metal support) so I have HDMI/DP/DVI.

My budget is flexible. I am a bit overwhelmed on where to begin researching for brand/models.
Go to your nearest whatever that sell displays and look at them; open up the type of software you usually would use on them, and play around a bit. Find a preferred one, and do a quick online search for YT reviews of it.

If it seems good enough for your purposes, and within your budget, you buy it.

Anything beyond that is really just either for fun, or to satisfy whatever particulars your brain has to deal with. :D
 
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Hey All,

Thought I'd ask here instead of adding new thread. I am out of touch with the recent monitor tech development, but I am in the market for a new one given CES is coming up and maybe some older models will go on sale. I currently have (hold the laughs) an 24" ACD that has been holding on well for the last 10 years. But I want to replace the ****** dell monitor that I use for my 2nd display.

I use my setup purely for home office work, no gaming, no photo/video editing. I just upgraded to a new GPU (metal support) so I have HDMI/DP/DVI.

My budget is flexible. I am a bit overwhelmed on where to begin researching for brand/models.

What computer and GPU do you have? Additionally, based on what you have stated, I am guessing the visibility of text is likely the most important attribute to you?
 
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For something you stare at daily for hours at a time for work I would say it is worth the price when you factor in how long you will have it, the build quality, the image quality/accuracy.

Why spend 1300+ tax on a 27" Ultrafine and not just spring for the XDR?
I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that even a higher end 16” MacBook Pro struggles when connected to an XDR and tends to get very warm? I’d actually consider an XDR if I could be sure this wasn’t the case!
 
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I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that even a higher end 16” MacBook Pro struggles when connected to an XDR and tends to get very warm? I’d actually consider an XDR if I could be sure this wasn’t the case!
The MBP16 gets warm simply by existing, but that's pretty much part of its design; so it's dealt with by the engineers that created it, in the sense that a bit of heat is acceptable to get a certain level of performance in a certain format, etc.

But if you're splurging on a super expensive display you should probably also consider throwing a bit of cash at some sort of raiser that will get the MBP16 in a more ergonomically position; and that will help with cooling (if the fans annoy you).
 
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Despite a few minor revisions, the LG Ultrafine 5K is nearly 5 years old and with no other retina 5K displays on the market that connect via Thunderbolt, a Mac owner is wondering what to do with all this Apple Silicon power and nothing reasonably priced to plug it into. I tried using a 4K gaming display at 144hz, which was nice, but I just want the proper retina experience.

Virtual CES is just around the corner, and I'm hoping some display manufacturers (looking at you LG) have something new to announce that will work well with Macs. While I would guess LG is waiting for the iMac revision to do a standalone display, I'd love something sooner.

So any rumors, thoughts, or speculation about new monitors?

The virus cancelled CES and won’t ever start again! So you have to go to their web site and watch any video made on a new product!
 
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