Any questions about SheepShaver or OS 9?

What Mac emulator do you use?


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Raging Dufus

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Jordan, I got a notification email when you replied to this thread to say you'd been unsuspended from MR. By the time I logged back in the moderators had removed your post. Just FYI, that happens sometimes...it's happened to me too, and you're never told why it happened or even that it happened. Your post just disappears.

In case you're not familiar with how this works, the moderators' job is to keep things on track here. It's pretty much the same in any Internet forum. So, stuff that's off-topic - even if it's your own post in a thread you started - is likely to get removed. In fact, this post might get removed too, because it's got nothing to do with Sheepshaver or anything else this thread might be about. That's just the way it goes.

Anyway, welcome back. Tell us more about what you like about Sheepshaver, why you use it, and what kind of Mac you're using it on. That should get things back on track.
 

Jordan XP

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Jordan, I got a notification email when you replied to this thread to say you'd been unsuspended from MR. By the time I logged back in the moderators had removed your post. Just FYI, that happens sometimes...it's happened to me too, and you're never told why it happened or even that it happened. Your post just disappears.

In case you're not familiar with how this works, the moderators' job is to keep things on track here. It's pretty much the same in any Internet forum. So, stuff that's off-topic - even if it's your own post in a thread you started - is likely to get removed. In fact, this post might get removed too, because it's got nothing to do with Sheepshaver or anything else this thread might be about. That's just the way it goes.

Anyway, welcome back. Tell us more about what you like about Sheepshaver, why you use it, and what kind of Mac you're using it on. That should get things back on track.
First of all, do you even know what SheepShaver is?
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Jordan, I got a notification email when you replied to this thread to say you'd been unsuspended from MR. By the time I logged back in the moderators had removed your post. Just FYI, that happens sometimes...it's happened to me too, and you're never told why it happened or even that it happened. Your post just disappears.

In case you're not familiar with how this works, the moderators' job is to keep things on track here. It's pretty much the same in any Internet forum. So, stuff that's off-topic - even if it's your own post in a thread you started - is likely to get removed. In fact, this post might get removed too, because it's got nothing to do with Sheepshaver or anything else this thread might be about. That's just the way it goes.

Anyway, welcome back. Tell us more about what you like about Sheepshaver, why you use it, and what kind of Mac you're using it on. That should get things back on track.
SheepShaver is a PPC Mac emulator. I am using it on a PC, not a Mac.
 

Raging Dufus

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First of all, do you even know what SheepShaver is?
Yes. But for the benefit of those who don't, why don't you write a little something about it?
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SheepShaver is a PPC Mac emulator. I am using it on a PC, not a Mac.
OK cool. What do you use Sheepshaver for, and why use it on a PC? Do you have a Mac?

EDIT: Another thing Jordan, in case you didn't know. You see how my posts got merged into one? That happens here too. I'm not sure why, but if you don't wait long enough between posts in the same thread, MR merges them into one post. It gets ugly sometimes.
 
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Jordan XP

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Yes. But for the benefit of those who don't, why don't you write a little something about it?
SheepShaver doesn't run Mac OS X at all! It only runs System 7 to Mac OS 9!

It's easy to setup SheepShaver.

Head over to E-Maculation forums to learn more about how easy it is to set up.
 
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Jordan XP

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To run old Mac OS games and applications.
 
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Raging Dufus

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To run old Mac OS games and applications.
Which games? Will they only run under OS 9? How do they run in Sheepshaver?

I'd really be interested to know if there are any differences between running Sheepshaver on a PC and running it on a Mac. Is there a difference in performance, is one better than the other, etc.
 
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Raging Dufus

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I voted "None" in your poll. I don't use a Mac emulator on other hardware. I do sometimes emulate Windows or Linux in VirtualPC on some of my Macs though.
 
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z970mp

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Any questions about SheepShaver or OS 9?

Yes sir, I have a question about OS 9.

I downloaded the Mac OS 9 Universal installer for my Power Mac G3 Blue and White, and then I copied over 'System Folder' and 'Applications (Mac OS 9)' to my Tiger partition. As you know, this alone would have enabled any OS 9 compatible machine to boot into the native environment without issue.

I selected to reboot into Mac OS 9.2.2 from Startup Disk, but then I was presented with an indefinite flashing floppy disk. On top of that, I am now also unable to reboot into Tiger, itself giving the same symptom.

This has never happened before, and I would like to know how I can at least boot back into Tiger from here.

Much appreciated.
 
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z970mp

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Um...it's a trap?
Not a trap.

If he knows so much about OS 9 / SheepSaver to go so far as declare himself the topic's ultimate authority (hence the thread), then he can prove himself and will be able to answer my predicament, or at the least offer useful input.

We have our Linux Man, and we have our OS X Man. I'm simply offering him a real opportunity (respect included) to make a name for himself as the OS 9 Man, who we could all perhaps end up going to for help.

He could do it in one fell swoop. If he does, boom, that's another asset to the forum, age be damned.

It's his call.
 
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bunnspecial

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I selected to reboot into Mac OS 9.2.2 from Startup Disk, but then I was presented with an indefinite flashing floppy disk. On top of that, I am now also unable to reboot into Tiger, itself giving the same symptom.

This has never happened before, and I would like to know how I can at least boot back into Tiger from here.
When you formatted the disk for Tiger, did you have DU install the OS 9 drivers? Failure to do this will produce the symptom you describe.

On somewhat later Macs that can run OS 9 and OS X, you can force them to boot into OS X by holding "X" while booting. I don't think this works on a B&W.

Consequently, the way that I PERSONALLY would get out of that particular "trap" is to boot off an OS X install disk(or an OS 9 disk-it doesn't really matter) and use the "startup disk" utility to re-bless the OS X install. When you reboot, it should boot back into OS X.
 

Project Alice

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Not a trap.

If he knows so much about OS 9 / SheepSaver to go so far as declare himself the topic's ultimate authority (hence the thread), then he can prove himself and will be able to answer my predicament, or at the least offer useful input.

We have our Linux Man, and we have our OS X Man. I'm simply offering him a real opportunity (respect included) to make a name for himself as the OS 9 Man, who we could all perhaps end up going to for help.

He could do it in one fell swoop. If he does, boom, that's another asset to the forum, age be damned.

It's his call.
Can you select one of them from start up disk control panel by booting an Install disc?

Also, a less known thing is that the B&W has an early implantation of the boot selector. Boot to open firmware (cmd + opt + O + F) and type multi it should let you select a disk.

But +1 to the post about OS 9 drivers being on there. B&W G3s are a bit quirky.
 
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z970mp

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When you formatted the disk for Tiger, did you have DU install the OS 9 drivers? Failure to do this will produce the symptom you describe.
Yes, the drivers were installed.

On somewhat later Macs that can run OS 9 and OS X, you can force them to boot into OS X by holding "X" while booting. I don't think this works on a B&W.
I can confirm the "X" / "9" boot methods do not work on a B&W.

Consequently, the way that I PERSONALLY would get out of that particular "trap" is to boot off an OS X install disk(or an OS 9 disk-it doesn't really matter) and use the "startup disk" utility to re-bless the OS X install. When you reboot, it should boot back into OS X.
That's what I did. When 10.4.11 is selected in the installer's Startup Disk, the system reboots and produces the same result. I don't know how adding an OS 9 System Folder / Applications Folder could possibly do this.
 

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Also, a less known thing is that the B&W has an early implantation of the boot selector. Boot to open firmware (cmd + opt + O + F) and type multi it should let you select a disk.

But +1 to the post about OS 9 drivers being on there. B&W G3s are a bit quirky.
Unfortunately, using boot picker will only work if OS 9 and OS X are on separate partititions-this is true regardless of the model. It's why I often install OS 9 on its own partition even though it can co-exist with OS X.
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That's what I did. When 10.4.11 is selected in the installer's Startup Disk, the system reboots and produces the same result. I don't know how adding an OS 9 System Folder / Applications Folder could possibly do this.
I admit to being stumped too, since you're right that nothing you did should have affected OS X.

In any case, I'd be tempted to do an archive and install of Tiger and hopefully restore function.

You seem to have been having a lot of issues with this B&W-are you sure the hard drive isn't failing? I've had a hard drive on its way out cause things like subtle file corruption that's not easy to see, but cause BIG issues.
 
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You seem to have been having a lot of issues with this B&W-are you sure the hard drive isn't failing? I've had a hard drive on its way out cause things like subtle file corruption that's not easy to see, but cause BIG issues.
This B&W has been on multiple installs on several hard drives (both IDE and SCSI), all known to be good. The current one is an '06 OEM 80gb which has never had problems before.

Hah, I would have already reinstalled Tiger (for the seventh time now) if it still had a DVD drive. Booting from disc became less problematic when I replaced its DVD/RW with a CD/RW, and I would make Tiger CDs, but the amount of times they'd be used wouldn't justify the burning. - And I'm fresh out of blank CDs, anyway.

It's a real hindrance that this thing won't even boot off USB (1.1 and all), nor can it even do TDM. When someone described this Mac as "sulky", it was definitely the right description!
 
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RhianB

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Oh, it’s a trap.

Obviously a 10 year old does not hold the key to all obscure SS knowledge. No need to throw some wacky circumstance at him. Heck it’s past his bedtime lol.

Again, he’s ten. You’re probably old enough to be his dad (I know I am). There are constructive & positive ways to engage him.
 
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bunnspecial

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Hah, I would have already reinstalled Tiger (for the seventh time now) if it had a DVD drive. Booting from disc became less problematic when I replaced its DVD/RW with a CD/RW, and I would make Tiger CDs, but the amount of times they'd be used wouldn't justify the burning. In any case, I'm fresh out of blank CDs.
A set of Tiger CDs is an invaluable thing to have...I use mine all the time if for no other reason than the fact that I like to avoid handling my genuine Apple pressed DVDs(I make the exception for Leopard since I have no end of trouble with burned DLs) but many older DVD drives can be touchy with burned DVDs of any format. I'm not sure if Apple ever pressed Tiger client CDs(I have at least one set of genuine Apple ones, and they are burned, although the Tiger Server CDs that came with my Xserve G5 are pressed) but I've found most drives pretty tolerant of burned CDs.
 
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z970mp

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There are constructive & positive ways to engage him.
Yes, we might think that. But when he's going out of his way to be unpleasant, the moderators might not. Given that enough times, it won't matter what anyone thinks.

For the record, I wasn't accusing you of anything. @RhianB made a Star Wars reference, and I just picked up on it. This is Admiral Ackbar:


This place kills me sometimes. Humor is a minefield.
I apologize, RD. That was my failing.

I don't watch Star Wars, so of course I took that comment at literal face value.

I agree with you, but humor should not be a minefield (usually dictated by snowflakes). Part of the reason humor is so historically great is that it's bipartisan, and doesn't care who it offends. It was known to unify, no matter the party.

Now all I'd like to know is when that changed...
 
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