That's a good point; they haven't shown what Honeycomb on phones looks like yet.
Feb. 9th and we'll get to see what they've done with WebOS on a tablet.
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Any reason to believe iPad iOS will become similar to Android 3.0 Honeycomb?
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That's a good point; they haven't shown what Honeycomb on phones looks like yet.
Feb. 9th and we'll get to see what they've done with WebOS on a tablet.
Who says? You just don't want it to be about the apps. Heck, your first post brought up the browser as your second example of how Honeycomb changed the OS.
Influence? The app can't do anything that the OS doesn't let it do.
No, that's what you want it to be about. But, point of fact, the apps that come with iOS are part of the OS.
For example, iOS includes a mail client which offers services to other apps. APIs provided with iOS would not work if the mail app is removed.
For your statement to make sense, you would have to consider Finder on Mac OS X the OS. It's not. It's just an app to access your files. The OS does not have a UI if you are going to exclude apps.
Why do you say "exactly" the same when you have acknowledged differences?
I would agree with you if you said that Honeycomb had more changes than iOS to take advantage of the larger form factor. But the claim that Apple didn't make any changes is just silly.
The fact that it took them 6-7 months after the initial release of the iPad to synchronize the two codebases tells you that there was a great deal of work involved.
I think Honeycomb will influence IPads OS eventually. At the moment Apple had everything their own way. It is within Apples interests to keep a clear distinction between Ipads and macbooks OS. They want to minimize cannibalization.
I think that the Honeycomb tablets could become replacements for laptops for many users. Google don't have the same concerns as Apple so can push things as far as they want. If no other OS existed for tables there would be little to drive Apple to make the tablet more of a macbook replacement.
Ultimately I want the Ipad OS to "win"/be better than honeycomb. I've invested in an Ipad already. I have invested in a ton of apps. I quite like the idea of upgrading to the Ipad 2 and having both. I'm sure there will be some pretty cool multi pad games.
At the moment I'm looking with jealousy at honeycomb and expecting a bit of a disappointment when the ipad 2 comes along
I think that the Honeycomb tablets could become replacements for laptops for many users. Google don't have the same concerns as Apple so can push things as far as they want. If no other OS existed for tables there would be little to drive Apple to make the tablet more of a macbook replacement.
Ultimately I want the Ipad OS to "win"/be better than honeycomb. I've invested in an Ipad already. I have invested in a ton of apps. I quite like the idea of upgrading to the Ipad 2 and having both. I'm sure there will be some pretty cool multi pad games.
At the moment I'm looking with jealousy at honeycomb and expecting a bit of a disappointment when the ipad 2 comes along
I think Honeycomb will influence IPads OS eventually. At the moment Apple had everything their own way. It is within Apples interests to keep a clear distinction between Ipads and macbooks OS. They want to minimize cannibalization.
I think that the Honeycomb tablets could become replacements for laptops for many users. Google don't have the same concerns as Apple so can push things as far as they want. If no other OS existed for tables there would be little to drive Apple to make the tablet more of a macbook replacement.
Ultimately I want the Ipad OS to "win"/be better than honeycomb. I've invested in an Ipad already. I have invested in a ton of apps. I quite like the idea of upgrading to the Ipad 2 and having both. I'm sure there will be some pretty cool multi pad games.
At the moment I'm looking with jealousy at honeycomb and expecting a bit of a disappointment when the ipad 2 comes along
Steve Jobs said he sees the iPad as the future of computing. I believe that's true as well. I don't see why they would artificially restrict the iPad's features so it doesn't cannibalize MacBooks. For one thing, they're still selling one of their products, but more importantly, even if their margins are lower, they have an opportunity now to take the majority marketshare if tablet computers truly are the future, which is something they made a mistake with on PCs by keeping too high prices. At $499, and after what they did with iPods to the MP3 player market, I think Apple know exactly what they're doing with the iPad.
As for them looking at what honeycomb does, can you give me a single time in history when Apple have EVER copied from their competitors, particularly in regards to GUI design?
Do they have any reason to copy them? They created a market when there wasn't one. The often criticized similarity to the iPhone design was genius. I love my iPhone/Touch, but wouldn't it be nice to do the same things on a bigger screen? This approach was obviously very good at making people comfortable with a tablet device.
If the Honeycomb products end up being a huge failure despite being loved by tech geeks (palm treo anyone?), why would Apple copy them? I think Apple owns this market, so I doubt they will be copying anyone unless there is a huge impact on sells.
I think they will continue incremental changes. It makes it easier for people to transition without getting frustrated with a whole new system.
If the Honeycomb products end up being a huge failure despite being loved by tech geeks (palm treo anyone?), why would Apple copy them? I think Apple owns this market, so I doubt they will be copying anyone unless there is a huge impact on sells.
I think they will continue incremental changes. It makes it easier for people to transition without getting frustrated with a whole new system.
Personally I think it's fine for Apple to do things the way they are, whilst they are the size they are and just remain a small section of the computing world.
I don't believe it would be good for anyone, apart from Apple for them to get too big or too influential and still carry on down the path they are travelling.
I don't worry too much about this as I know once they got/get too large them powers greater then them still stop them, in the same way Microsoft are dealt with in certain areas.
Whilst some Apple loyalists may not understand it, it should be clear really to anyone, you don't want anyone over controlling getting too large or powerful in any area of life.
I don't believe it would be good for anyone, apart from Apple for them to get too big or too influential and still carry on down the path they are travelling.
I don't worry too much about this as I know once they got/get too large them powers greater then them still stop them, in the same way Microsoft are dealt with in certain areas.
Whilst some Apple loyalists may not understand it, it should be clear really to anyone, you don't want anyone over controlling getting too large or powerful in any area of life.
I think he is referring to apps created by developers and not Mail or such which are part of the OS...
I agree that Apple made changes to iPad to take advantage of the bigger screen but honeycomb looks better on tablets ATM. Widgets though many find it unnecessary I feel WE should be given choice to decide. It doesn't look good to keep on switching apps to check updates and creating another app to see all the updates at once is not a solution. I feel widgets or similar solution would be great (atleast makes more sense than switching between apps). The point with iOS is it doesn't have a home screen and has only lists of apps, so for anything and everything you've to open an app. This at the most is acceptable for a phone but for a 9.7 inch device it kinda looks silly.
You would hope so, but he is pretty clear that he is not.
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"Looks better" is subjective of course. I happen to disagree, but that isn't really important. All you've seen are demos of Honeycomb. And Google has the advantage of the assumption of dual core processors and more RAM than last year's iPad to design new UI elements.
Sure they would be nice for some people. Maybe a lot of people. Who knows? They don't seem to be that popular on Windows or Mac OS X. But you are only discussing the advantages of widgets with no consideration for the tradeoffs. Development time. Battery life. Impact on the app market. Performance.
Plus I think most of the things that you have listed could be dealt with in an overhauled notification system.
Widgets are popular on Windows and Android machines. That not a valid statement. Ive yet to see a Vista or Win 7 box that didnt have widgets (gadgets) running on them. Even netbooks have them
Check out the download totals on any major Windows gadget site. They aren't as popular as you think. Microsoft doesn't even really promote them that much for Windows 7. On their gadget site, most of the top downloads haven't even been updated since 2008.
As I said earlier, I don't personally think Widgets are as useful on a desktop machine that you are sitting at for a long period, and has true multitasking and the ability to have multiple windows open on screen.
With a mobile device that you may have "on the go" being able to quickly see if there is anything that needs your attention would naturally be an advantage, rather than having to stop in your tracks when you are out, and going through apps to check things.
Not saying everyone would want them, but I can see many who are "out and about" finding it helpful to just glance at say a lock-screen quickly and see that there is nothing that needs their attention.
With a mobile device that you may have "on the go" being able to quickly see if there is anything that needs your attention would naturally be an advantage, rather than having to stop in your tracks when you are out, and going through apps to check things.
Not saying everyone would want them, but I can see many who are "out and about" finding it helpful to just glance at say a lock-screen quickly and see that there is nothing that needs their attention.
Well yeah that would solve the problem, thats why I mentioned widgets or similar solution..
Its so stupid to carry a lot of gadgets each with a purpose that essentially isn't something that can't be done on a single device. Notification system on iOS isn't good at all, denying this only means that you're fanboy.
Nope.
Also, given that a 5 finger pinch will soon take you to the home screen I wish apple would implement a mac osx like dashboard into iOS where a 5 finger pinch from the home screen brings up a dashboard like interface for widgets. That way they are out the way when you don't need them.
Also, given that a 5 finger pinch will soon take you to the home screen I wish apple would implement a mac osx like dashboard into iOS where a 5 finger pinch from the home screen brings up a dashboard like interface for widgets. That way they are out the way when you don't need them.
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An asserting people are fanboys only means that you're a troll. People use these devices for a variety of tasks; some don't rely on notifications at all and haven't even considered them as being good or bad.
For the record, I agree they aren't good, but they're not highest on my priority list of improvements.
Or if you believe the iPad to be a big iPod Touch...which I do. No shame in that either. But it has nothing "tablet" going for it that you can't get on the iPod Touch other than size.
Just because I say it has to improve doesn't make me a troll. You may not agree on this but notification system is very important on a portable device and iOS has scope to improve on this.
With my many years of tech support in business and with friends and family, I can tell you that the average PC user doesn't even know what a widget is. The kind of users that frequent forums such as this one tend to more likely to use such features, but the vast majority of users out there woulnd't know a widget if it slapped them upside the head.
I've noticed a couple of comments in this thread about gestures on the iPad.
You guys do know that Apple was only testing out gestures in the last beta of IOS 4.3, right? The last beta removed them and Apple stated that it was only to get feedback from developers and would not be included in the final release. I for one love the four finger swipe up to get the the task bar as I have the last beta on mine. I'm going to miss it, but I can see why they are not going to include it as it does have a bad habit of getting activated accidentally. Just try playing Fruit Ninja on an iPad with gestures and you will see what I mean.
What are you, the thread police? All are free to contribute whatever they would like to this discussion even if it doesn't fit into your personal view of what's relevant.
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