Any software for encrypted password locker across iOS and MacOS?

Discussion in 'iOS 11' started by DekuBleep, Jul 2, 2017.

  1. DekuBleep macrumors newbie

    Jun 26, 2013
    Hello! With iOS11 and the new iPad Pro I am exploring the possibility of having iOS as my main OS and going mostly iPad-iPhone for computing with a little macOS on the side. But using my current way of doing things then I would want to have a secure password locker that worked on both iOS and macOS. However the Apple encrypted disk images don't open on iOS as far as I know. And Viivo just went end of life... I don't want to rely on 1password or Apple passwords because neither of them are 100% reliable and I don't want to pay a subscription fee for saving my passwords.

    So are there any good solutions for encrypting files easily that works on both iOS and macOS? Thanks!
  2. Mikael H macrumors 6502a

    Sep 3, 2014
    A combination of KeePassX on the Mac and MiniKeePass on the iOS devices may work for you. Slightly cumbersome, but then security tends to be that.
  3. johnparjr macrumors 6502a


    May 10, 2005
    Been using DataVault for years awesome app
  4. chrfr macrumors 604

    Jul 11, 2009
    1Password has been reliable for me and has worked fine for years. I'd buy something else that isn't a subscription, though.
  5. Puonti macrumors 6502a

    Mar 14, 2011
    1Password is also available as standalone apps for both iOS and macOS, supporting local WiFi sync or syncing via iCloud or Dropbox. I'm a satisfied customer.
  6. nick19 macrumors member


    Jun 4, 2014
    London, UK
  7. markphil1424 macrumors newbie


    Jul 11, 2015
    Northeast Ohio
    1Password highly recommended, have it on all devices, works great on iOS and MacOS.
  8. DotCom2 macrumors 68040

    Feb 22, 2009
    I'll second that!
    Just works and is not as expensive.
  9. Primejimbo macrumors 68040

    Aug 10, 2008
    Another 1Password user here, and it's one of my favorite apps.
  10. chrfr macrumors 604

    Jul 11, 2009
    There's already a feature gap between the subscription version and the standalone ones. I can only assume this will widen as time passes.
  11. Feenician, Jul 2, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2017

    Feenician macrumors 601


    Jun 13, 2016
    Curious. Is there any reason people don’t just use iCloud Keychain for this? I’m guessing lacking cross platform ability and not working in-app were top reasons but the latter at least is being (partially) addressed in iOS 11
  12. Bubble99 macrumors 6502

    Mar 15, 2015
    Apple does not allow encryption on iOS or Mac OS-X. Any files or any folder cannot be encrypted.

    This is to stop malware or unsafe apps from encrypting files also known as ransomware that windows is having a major epidemic with these days.

    Only way is to get a external hard drive and set up encryption on it.

    Unfortunately iOS or Mac OS-X does not support encryption.

    So if there files or folders that you do not want people to see than put it on a external hard drive and set up encryption on it.
  13. Floris macrumors 68020


    Sep 7, 2007
    How is 1Password not reliable? It has a stand alone option, and sync only over wifi if you want, no need for iCloud, dropbox, etc. And you're the only one with the decryption master password. You don't have to pay for the subscription model at all.
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    "Unfortunately iOS or Mac OS-X does not support encryption."

    With this you mean "apps to encrypt/decrypt content on the iOS setup?"

    Because by default macOS/OSX have openSSL you can use to encrypt and decrypt documents .. so I don't understand that. And by default, if you use a PIN on the iOS device the whole disk is encrypted.
  14. Dave-Z macrumors 6502

    Jun 26, 2012
    This is not true on many levels.

    As mentioned, OpenSSL is bundled with macOS and can encrypt stuff. Both operating systems support full disk encryption. Apps like 1Password encrypt and decrypt data. Apple's own Disk Utility allows encryption of disks or folders. The list goes on.
  15. Feenician macrumors 601


    Jun 13, 2016
    Is this post for real? There’s not one single shred of truth in it. It’s all wrong.
  16. Puonti macrumors 6502a

    Mar 14, 2011
    Much of that feature gap has to do with features that are enabled by having an in-house syncing service (such as sharing and managing features specific to Teams and Families), a matter Agilebits addresses openly whenever someone brings it up on their forums.

    Of course, even if that wasn't the case, the question someone looking into 1Password or any software or hardware, really, is "does this have the features I need?" You can't base your decision on what a developer or manufacturer might be doing in the future, beyond plans they have already announced. Agilebits has announced that they are continuing to develop both the standalone and service offerings, so until they announce they won't, that's what's going to happen. Some of those features will go both ways, some won't. When that happens, you re-evaluate.

    For instance, back when Bloom Built released Day One 2.0 and took away iCloud and Dropbox syncing, I dropped the app on both iOS and macOS because those were features I needed, and I had been waiting for 2.0 to bring with it multiple images per entry. Since a version of Day One with all the features I needed or had been waiting for did not exist I couldn't continue using it. And, as we now know, Bloom Built recently introduced a paid-for service that provides features that were held back from those who did move to 2.0. I'm sure many will re-evaluate now.

    Right now I can recommend 1Password, but that's based on my personal needs. The OP can look at the recommendations we give and determine there's something there, but they absolutely have to check what features our recommended pieces of software have versus what they need.
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    I started using 1Password back when iCloud Keychain was not a thing and found the software a good fit for my needs. It's continued to evolve and has remained a good fit, so I continue using it. Now I'm investigating how or if 1Password Families might allow me to help family members who are not technically minded. We'll see how that goes.

    I would absolutely trust Apple with the same things I trust Agilebits - both have earned that trust over time. Doesn't mean they aren't capable of messing things up horribly, but from everything I've learned of how they operate, there's reason to trust them. So trust is not an issue.

    The things I've found 1Password's features and UI to be great for are:

    1) I need to store freeform text notes securely and those fit nicely alongside passwords

    2) I need to store certain small binary files securely and 1Password handles that

    3) I need a UI that allows me to easily manage my passwords. I have a rolling routine where I change a few passwords every week, so I need to identify which ones are the oldest, what passwords I have used historically per service and a great password generator. 1Password has all those and plenty besides. Right now the iOS version of 1Password fails here, but I've already given Agilebits feedback on this and I'm hopeful they will at some point introduce features that are missing (namely listing logins by password age)

    4) I need to associate secondary information with my logins, things that aren't a username or password, such as which email address do I use with each service (if that's not the login), what was my plan for renewing or not renewing a subscription next year, who should I contact if I have problems, etc

    5) I need two-factor authentication for some of my logins, and that code generator comes built in with 1Password. I believe in the next version Agilebits is going to make that an even better experience by automatically copying the 2FA code into clipboard after filling in login details so that it's ready when it's needed

    So that's why I use 1Password - it fit my needs when I was looking for a software for this purpose, and it continues to do so. Until such time that it doesn't or Agilebits loses my trust, that's not going to change.
    --- Post Merged, Jul 2, 2017 ---
    This is either fake news or a misinformed individual. Pay no attention.
  17. Feenician macrumors 601


    Jun 13, 2016

    Good, informative answer to my question. Thank you.
  18. DekuBleep thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jun 26, 2013
    Thanks! I really appreciate all the responses... I am the OP and here is my situation.

    I have been using an Encrypted Disk image put into cloud storage for years but you can't open it on iOS. I normally rely on a combination of iCloud Keychain within Safari and logging into iOS apps while nearby a Mac since I can't open the encrypted disk image on iOS for some reason.

    My problems with password filling in solutions is that (1) I don't think they work within Apps on iOS and I don't know how iOS11 is planning to change this... (2) iCloud Keychain doesn't always work or it didn't work for me in the past particularly with the safari suggested passwords. You can use a Safari Suggested password that you don't even know what it is and then you either (1) want to log into the same service on an iOS App and you don't even know what the password is so you can't log in or (2) Safari generates a password for you on one page and then you go to a slightly different page where you need to use the same password and Safari isn't smart enough to realize that it needs to put in the same password but you don't even know what the Safari generated password is so you can't put it in yourself... anyway these things happened to me and then I stopped using the Safari suggested passwords ever and I need a secure way to save and look up my complicated passwords.

    I admit that I haven't tried 1password and I never tried it because I felt like I didn't need to pay a subscription service to manage my passwords and I thought it was only a subscription service.

    Thanks I will try KeePass !

    Thanks I will look into this!

    I mainly outlined my concerns just above although I haven't tried the non-subscription services so I will download and see if this can work for me! Thanks!
  19. tivoboy macrumors 68040

    May 15, 2005
    I moved away from 1password to LastPass several years ago and now it’s free to sync across devices and have multi factor authentication. Never had any problems.

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