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Any Vegetarians/Vegans?

bartelby said:
Hence the "tend to" bit.
In my experience the non militant vegan is very much the minority. Most of the time they use information from PETA, ALF and other such organisations to prove points. Yet when I use information from the British Meat Education Service I get accused of using biased sources! :rolleyes:
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I've encountered way more militant meat-eaters than I ever have militant vegetarians. Actually, I've encountered more militant meat-eaters than I've ever encountered vegetarians, period.

I think this is one of those cases where the vocal minority is so ridiculously vocal that they give the rest of us a bad name. I can't stand PETA, and I know a couple very outspoken and "activist" vegans who's actions and attitudes really bug me. I myself have never been to an animal rights protest or harranged anyone about their choices, and I'm willing to bet the majority of vegetarians are the same.

But there is something that I think is overlooked here. When you're a vegetarian or vegan, you are constantly under fire to justify your lifestyle, sometimes even by perfect strangers. You have to explain yourself at family and social gatherings, people are constantly asking (sometimes intentionally insulting) questions about your food, and any indication that you're sick, or unhealthy in any way -- or any other vegetarian that they've ever heard of is -- is used as justification to berate you. And if you respond in a way that is flippant or annoyed, you get lumped in with the "militants".

Kind of a no-win situation. I want to carry around a glove and slap offenders with it, exclaiming in a Monty Python-esque voice "I challenge you to a duel!" that involves which one of us can bounce more quarters off our washboard abs.
 
bartelby said:
Veggies/vegans vs. Normal people meat eaters is just the same as:

PC vs. Mac
Cats vs. Dogs
Dark vs. Light
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Personally I've always wondered what troll tastes like :p

Iscariot said:
But there is something that I think is overlooked here. When you're a vegetarian or vegan, you are constantly under fire to justify your lifestyle, sometimes even by perfect strangers. You have to explain yourself at family and social gatherings, people are constantly asking (sometimes intentionally insulting) questions about your food, and any indication that you're sick, or unhealthy in any way -- or any other vegetarian that they've ever heard of is -- is used as justification to berate you. And if you respond in a way that is flippant or annoyed, you get lumped in with the "militants".
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Yep. It's exactly the same as being labelled a "Mac zealot" when you disagree with someone's stupid remark about how Macs have no software etc. You can't tell someone they're wrong, so it's best to just change the subject.
 
bartelby said:
So having a prefectly good vegetarian diet yet being 1.5 stone (21lbs) underweight and ill a lot of the time was a good thing?
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^ my current state.

Being vegetarian was all well and good while I was lazy but these days I'm far more active and it's difficult to maintain weight.

The trouble is that eating meat would be a bit daunting for me, last time I did (by accident) I threw up violently and the smell has never appealed, quite the opposite in fact.

I'm not really sure what to do :(

I never have been vegetarian due to ethics, I just don't like meat, never took to it as a child and I doubt I ever will.
 
Iscariot said:
When you're a vegetarian or vegan, you are constantly under fire to justify your lifestyle, sometimes even by perfect strangers. You have to explain yourself at family and social gatherings, people are constantly asking (sometimes intentionally insulting) questions about your food, and any indication that you're sick, or unhealthy in any way -- or any other vegetarian that they've ever heard of is -- is used as justification to berate you. And if you respond in a way that is flippant or annoyed, you get lumped in with the "militants".
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Ohhhhh I hear ya!
 
You shouldn't worry too much yet Mord. Your body just needs a bit of time to adjust to your sudden change of pace. Saying that though, maybe after a good long night of raving you need to go pig out on some cake or something :)
 
dynamicv said:
You shouldn't worry too much yet Mord. Your body just needs a bit of time to adjust to your sudden change of pace. Saying that though, maybe after a good long night of raving you need to go pig out on some cake or something :)
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It's been a fair while now, my pace changed about 6 months ago. I lose between 3.5-7 pounds in a night out and it takes me a week of heavy eating to regain it.

also another motivation is the fact that my multiple girlfriends are all not vegetarian in a monogamous relationship this would not be so bad but with four of them it's a PITA
 
Heh. Thanks, everybody :)

Mord said:
^ my current state.

Being vegetarian was all well and good while I was lazy but these days I'm far more active and it's difficult to maintain weight.

The trouble is that eating meat would be a bit daunting for me, last time I did (by accident) I threw up violently and the smell has never appealed, quite the opposite in fact.

I'm not really sure what to do :(

I never have been vegetarian due to ethics, I just don't like meat, never took to it as a child and I doubt I ever will.
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I'm not a nutritionist or anything of the sort, but as a very active and athletic vegan, I can sympathize. A lot of vegetarian food isn't very dense in calories -- most fruits, vegetables and even tofu and tofu products are made up largely of water -- so you have to eat a greater volume of food or make a conscious effort to eat really dense foods.

For example, I eat about 2 cups of nuts or dense legumes like peanuts, lentils or chickpeas every day.

Some dense vegetarian foods are:

  • Nuts and seeds
  • Chickpeas, lentils
  • Some beans
  • Raisins and other dehydrated foods
  • Granola
  • Avacodo
  • Pasta
  • Cereal
  • Yams
  • Peanut butter

You can also make smoothies with protein powders and peanut butter for a boost of calories, and I make my own protein bars that have 500 calories per bar.

Mord said:
It's been a fair while now, my pace changed about 6 months ago. I lose between 3.5-7 pounds in a night out and it takes me a week of heavy eating to regain it.
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In order to lose 3.5 pounds of body weight, you'd have to burn 12 250 calories! That'd be the equivalent of bicycling at a racing pace for 15 hours straight.

Keep in mind that a scale has a rather large "retest" error, and that your body weight can fluctuate by several pounds throughout the day. If you are experiencing rapid and lasting weight loss of this calibre, you should see a doctor.
 
what's funny about this is that everyone* is lumping everyone else into one category or another.

*see? :p

Meat eaters get lumped into the category of twunts who question the veggies/vegans.
Veggies/Vegans get lumped into the category of being militants.

There is middle ground. Here. I don't care what you eat and I hope you don't care what I eat. I don't think I'm alone here either.

kthxbai
 
Iscariot said:
In order to lose 3.5 pounds of body weight, you'd have to burn 12 250 calories! That'd be the equivalent of bicycling at a racing pace for 15 hours straight.

Keep in mind that a scale has a rather large "retest" error, and that your body weight can fluctuate by several pounds throughout the day. If you are experiencing rapid and lasting weight loss of this calibre, you should see a doctor.
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A reasonable proportion of that is water loss but the weight loss is still considerable, a night out entails 7 hours of *hard* dance to techno/psytrance that uses all my muscles, I jumpstyle (jumping back and forth and side to side is like running except with more impact and you dump your energy every time) and freehand glowstick with 4/5 sticks in each hand from 10PM-5AM only taking short breaks.

I am to put it modestly a dance floor monster, I never have seen anyone who goes for it like I do.

Seeing as I have in the past cycled for an entire day at a pretty decent pace without too much issue I don't see my weight loss as that out of the ordinary.

I'm also 6'3 and have been compared to Xena, I'm not exactly skeletal at 11 stone but I just don't have much body fat and I end up just crashing when I just run out of fuel.


I would eat more nuts/seeds but as a student I really can't afford it, I try to eat as heartily as I can but it's just hard to keep up with myself when I have a busy schedule. It also doesn't help that i have very little sense of hunger or thurst, I generally eat/drink because I feel ill or seem to be crashing not because I'm famished.
 
Can you eat...?

Does anyone else constantly get asked by others Can you eat...?

It's mostly the older generations that tend to do it in my experience, but I regularly get asked "Can you eat chicken?" "Can you eat cod?" etc etc.

Yes, of course I bloody can, I just don't want to :D
 
miniConvert said:
Does anyone else constantly get asked by others Can you eat...?

It's mostly the older generations that tend to do it in my experience, but I regularly get asked "Can you eat chicken?" "Can you eat cod?" etc etc.

Yes, of course I bloody can, I just don't want to :D
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When I was a non meat eater my nan would always insist I could eat bacon and have gravy...
 
iBlue said:
There is middle ground. Here. I don't care what you eat and I hope you don't care what I eat. I don't think I'm alone here either.

kthxbai
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You're not. Although I am guilty of a troll like post in this thread, I don't get why people care what sort of diet others prefer. Eat and let eat.
 
rdowns said:
You're not. Although I am guilty of a troll like post in this thread, I don't get why people care what sort of diet others prefer. Eat and let eat.
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Same here. I believe everyone should be free to choose whatever they want to put in their mouths.
 
rdowns said:
You're not. Although I am guilty of a troll like post in this thread, I don't get why people care what sort of diet others prefer. Eat and let eat.
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Yeah I hate it on safari when they have a fuss over my diet; just because I shot it doesn't mean I have to eat it.
 
mpw said:
Typical lazy stooooon't, you need to forage lass
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Used to in London but I've yet to find anywhere decent in Edinburgh, besides it's way past nutting season and I got through all the cob nuts I picked in the autumn over a month ago, I've only ever found one hazel nut tree and one almond tree in the wild which had ripe nuts on and that was a long time ago in bristol and I've yet to find a reasonable number of cob nut trees anywhere but along the grand union canal in london.

There are some gorgeous rose hips near where my girlfriends live in leeds which we're intending to pick to make wine out of and a reasonable amount of bramble but it's hardly protein filled foraging.

I'm sorry did you actually want to talk about foraging or were you just making chit chat?
 
Mord said:
...but I've yet to find anywhere decent in Edinburgh, besides it's way past nutting season...
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Try Glasgow, I imagine they nut all year round if you asked nicely... or look at them funny.

Mord said:
...ripe nuts... ...bristol... ...s... ...numb... ...canal...

...my girlfriends live in leads... ...we're intending to make... ...out... ...hard...
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Nar, just making chit chat.
 
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