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I agree with you on all of that, but we also haven't seen Apple Intelligence do any of that in person yet. Sure the demos looked cool, but we still await to see if it will be as good as they say.

I guarantee it'll be mostly useless. It might work 9 out of 10 times but that last missing time but that last 1 out of 10 times it screws you over on a hallucination or bad assumption will instantly devalue it to 0.
 
What we have now is not AI.

It's a crappy tokenizer and statistical inference network that outputs something stupid people haven't worked out is stupid yet. This is all powered by an investment mill and hype engineering operation like no one has ever seen before.

Quick example.

It's impossible to have a 10uH capacitor (it should be 10pF) and a 22pF inductor also makes no sense (22uH it should be). Also 1THz is a frequency which is waaaaay outside any reasonable model where a lumped element circuit even makes sense to reason about.

An EE tutor / engineer would roll up a newspaper, hit you round the back of the head and tell you to stop being a dumbass.

CoPilot answers you authoritatively while completely misinterpreting the question and giving you an answer which has no meaning at all.

It's hopeless.

You're using CoPilot, that's why.

Try again with Gemini and it'll slap you with a roll of electronic newspaper.
 
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I guarantee it'll be mostly useless. It might work 9 out of 10 times but that last missing time but that last 1 out of 10 times it screws you over on a hallucination or bad assumption will instantly devalue it to 0.
Yep I agree. I don't trust the AI not to mess up every once in awhile, and it could completely screw you over that 1 time.
 
Ok, I’ll bite. What competition? Those fun but creepy photo editing tricks that Google and Samsung offer via their servers? Or those rewriting tricks that Apple will offer too? That’s not AI for me. I have yet to see a truly smart assistent that I can reliably ask to do stuff for me, like: ‘find me a good coffee place along my route with no more than a 10’ detour’

Bing Image Creator is free and it looks like it works better than Apple's Image Playground. Google's Imagen 3 / ImageFX is also free. Midjourney is usually a paid service, but it's also temporarily free.

If you want to find good coffee along your route, Google Gemini is accessible via the Google app on iOS, and you can ask it to find you good coffee (or whatever you're in the mood for) in a specific area or along a specific stretch of road, and it'll show you those results on a map, along with links to establishments, customer ratings, and a little description of what they're like. It's much easier to access and gives more information if you're using a Pixel, but it still works surprisingly well on iOS. Perplexity (also available via an app) will do the same thing, with even more information.

All of this is available today, on your current iPhone. No betas, no waitlists, no "maybe you'll get it by this date, but only if you buy a new device."
 
For me new ”AI” features are just… new features. And as always I’m interested in some new features depending are they just gimmicky “play for first 2 days” kinda features or seriously useful for my needs. Like Animojis, I played with them 2 days when they were launched and then never ever used them again.
 
Anybody not interested in AI features?
Not enough to buy new hardware, and I also use Windows/Linux/Android anyway. GenAI will take a couple years to shake out in any case, it’s still the early times.
 
Bing Image Creator is free and it looks like it works better than Apple's Image Playground. Google's Imagen 3 / ImageFX is also free. Midjourney is usually a paid service, but it's also temporarily free.

If you want to find good coffee along your route, Google Gemini is accessible via the Google app on iOS, and you can ask it to find you good coffee (or whatever you're in the mood for) in a specific area or along a specific stretch of road, and it'll show you those results on a map, along with links to establishments, customer ratings, and a little description of what they're like. It's much easier to access and gives more information if you're using a Pixel, but it still works surprisingly well on iOS. Perplexity (also available via an app) will do the same thing, with even more information.

All of this is available today, on your current iPhone. No betas, no waitlists, no "maybe you'll get it by this date, but only if you buy a new device."

Sure, Apple's image generator is handicapped. But are Gemini and Perplexity really competitors to Apple Intelligence? Those are both, for the most part, chatbots with search engines strapped onto them.

Maybe Apple Intelligence looks like that as well at the moment. I can't wait for Personal and Onscreen awareness to hit - those features all looked super impressive and actually useful day to day.
 
You're using CoPilot, that's why.

Try again with Gemini and it'll slap you with a roll of electronic newspaper.

I think you're running on faith which shows you are even less objective than an LLM.

Here's Gemini's version where it doesn't understand that a capacitor is in Farads and an inductor is in Henries, and it produces an incorrect answer authoritatively without even questioning.

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That demonstrates three points:

1. This is garbage.
2. People trust it when they shouldn't.
3. People who do know how these things work really do know how they work.

This whole concept is a dead end. But it won't happen until there's some dead bodies involved.
 
an honest assessment, nope. I think some 'bright' person will determine how to use it to place product/service, then back down the sewer of search engines again, I hope not but fear possible dark reality.
 
I think you're running on faith which shows you are even less objective than an LLM.

Here's Gemini's version where it doesn't understand that a capacitor is in Farads and an inductor is in Henries, and it produces an incorrect answer authoritatively without even questioning.

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That demonstrates three points:

1. This is garbage.
2. People trust it when they shouldn't.
3. People who do know how these things work really do know how they work.

This whole concept is a dead end. But it won't happen until there's some dead bodies involved.

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Oh so we get a different answer. Even better! Sometimes it knows and sometimes it doesn't.

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Also 1THz makes no sense in context to the question, which it does not understand.

It is garbage.

Edit: I argued with it some more

1. this is wrong .... ok so it apologised then worked out the units.
2. 1THz doesn't make sense in a lumped circuit model .... so it apologised again and said what about a transmission line model.
3. this is wrong. It's a fully distributed model ... so it suggested full wave EM simulation, which is sort of right.

This is completely bloody useless if you have to tell it that it's wrong every two minutes when it makes errors even a undergrad EE wouldn't make.
 
Oh so we get a different answer. Even better! Sometimes it knows and sometimes it doesn't.

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Also 1THz makes no sense in context to the question, which it does not understand.

It is garbage.

You'll deny it, but I bet this is a continuation of a current chat that causes the AI to try and build on earlier parts of your conversation. Start a new chat and prompt it.
 
You'll deny it, but I bet this is a continuation of a current chat that causes the AI to try and build on earlier parts of your conversation. Start a new chat and prompt it.

This was done as a new chat entirely.

I asked continued questions if you see the edited post, giving it more "input" (tokens).

The point is irrelevant though. It could not parse or understand the question conclusively on the first try. It could not validate that the question made sense. And it gave an authoritative answer immediately which was firstly incorrect, secondly misleading and thirdly quite insane.

I mean I have a friend Paul, who thinks he knows everything. But in fact he just did a bit too much weed and his brain doesn't know when to tell him to shut up and think about stuff. I trust him to get an objective answer on something more than the best language model.
 
I am not paying for it so I can't test it.

Why would I pay for something which is fractionally less misleading?

The value tends to zero.

I'm on a 30 day trial which I think is open to anyone.

Would I pay for this? Hell no.

Will I pay for Apple Intelligence? Hell yeah. It's clear Apple is building a cohesive intelligence experience around its entire ecosystem that just makes sense for everyone.
 
Sure it will be the selling point in a video but I never use Siri.
People will have their reasons for using or not using AI, and the reasons will be valid for them.

However, you cannot use Siri to gauge anything, because even if we define Siri as AI (I don't), as some people do, it is not remotely close to what people want when they think of AI, and Siri cannot even deliver on the things that it is supposed to do.

Suppose you claim that you will never ride on a plane because you never go anywhere on roller skates, it would make no sense, only that in this analogy Siri is worse than roller skates.
 
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