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with the Siri Remote, it is unpredictable.

It works every single time, the exact same way for me.

This isn't surprising. It seems like lately, there has been a widening range of typical experiences with Apple devices than there was in the past.

You can see it right here in this thread, people saying that they have never had an issue with the Siri remote, people saying that the Siri remote used to be laggy, but they think it was fixed, people that feels like lag with the remote is still an issue.

On another ATV thread, someone mentioned that the lag issue was non-existent on their ATV4, but they started seeing it bad after switching to an ATV4K. I had the opposite happen to me, as the ATV4K seems to run better in general, especially when it comes to touch pad lag, but my ATV4 goes through phases where the touch pad lag sucks.

Just curious, what ATV(s) do you use?
 
Not a fan of the Apple TV remote. Too few buttons. Bought an inexpensive Bluetooth keyboard and mostly just use that to control my Apple TV. Makes typing text so much easier.
 
i haven't particularly liked the current remote since day one.

Swiping up with it is awkward.

Give me a touchpad controlled pointer that i can aim with, rather than hoping i go up instead of sideways if i happen to swipe far enough...

I'm on a 4k...
 
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I don't like the touch pad, and the endless swiping that goes along with it. It makes navigating and entering passwords frustrating.

Anyone else ever swipe pass the intended selection, and select something else instead? Only to have to go back and re-select what you wanted the first time? Yeah, it only a few seconds to back track, but it is still annoying.

I really wished there was a D-pad instead of a touch pad.

I have been using on-Apple IR remotes for years using the remote learning feature on the tvOS, ATV2 and 3, but on tvOS, the IR remotes don't work on all apps.

Amen. Super annoying. Same reason why volume knobs in a car are preferred over buttons for volume. Hate the ATV remote and still looking for an economical replacement.

Someone needs to market an Apple 2018 Usability Kit. Dongles, usb-C cords, and a usable ATV remote.
 
My biggest gripe with the Apple TV remote is that it doesn't have a back button. I like to switch between channels and it would be nice to be able to do that with the Apple TV remote.

They like to digitize it as a "Menu key"; press it once to go back, Hold it down to return to Home screen.

it confuses the hell outta me. You'd think a dedicated "back button" would be there as well, since that's the main function of it.
 
In spite of the good performance of the ATV box, there is a lot not to like about the remote:

No Mute button!
Very sensitive and glitchy "trackpad" is a real pain when trying to move forward or back in a video - such as Google TV app.
Too small.
Not good tactile feedback about which end you are holding and what button you are using.
No backlight.

I will say that it looks nice and runs forever between recharging.
 
I have very dry hands, so there are time trackpad doesn't respond.. I dunno what Apple did, but trakpad on Mac responds every time to my dry hands/skin regardless. I do still have my Apple TV 3rd gen remote.

Not good tactile feedback about which end you are holding and what button you are using.

I don't think just because its not IR, shouldn't give the reason to use it any direction to "respond"

Not upside down ... Trackpad should be on the top part. not at the bottom.
 
Too small.
Not good tactile feedback about which end you are holding and what button you are using.

Buy a silicon sleeve from eBay. It makes the remote a million times easier to hold and it's less likely to slip down between the seat and arm rest or get lost.

I accidentally bought the pink one which was a fantastic mistake as the remote is now dead east to spot in the lounge and amongst my other black remotes. :D FYI it's bit darker in person.

At just under £2,50 with shipping it's one of the best upgrades you can make to your Apple TV.


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I'm a big fan of the Neeo remote. It's not cheap, and it's a WiP (they're still releasing firmware with new features regularly), but it's very useful and very much fits in with Apple styling. If you're a fan of un-boxing, they do nice boxes too. :)
 
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I'm a big fan of the Neeo remote. It's not cheap, and it's a WiP (they're still releasing firmware with new features regularly), but it's very useful and very much fits in with Apple styling. If you're a fan of un-boxing, they do nice boxes too. :)
Stunning..........until I saw the price. I'm curious though and will watch a few reviews this evening.
 
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I'm a big fan of the Neeo remote. It's not cheap, and it's a WiP (they're still releasing firmware with new features regularly), but it's very useful and very much fits in with Apple styling. If you're a fan of un-boxing, they do nice boxes too. :)

Thanks for the tip! No offense meant, HONESTLY, but the text I bolded above is at the heart of my and many's issues with Apple today. TOO MUCH IS DESIGNED FOR FORM AND NOT FUNCTION. My girlfriend's family spent the weekend and I of course gave her father what should have been a 10 second rundown of "these are the remotes for the TV & AppleTV, to access the DirecTV Now and Amazon Prime Video apps." Wouldn't you know that their aggravation with the AppleTV remote lasted all weekend, across EVERYBODY for whom the remote & Apple TV was new? At least it was more in jest than true aggravation, but by Sunday it still was an ongoing joke about how awful the remote is, how easy it is to grab it incorrectly and unintentionally trigger something, how awful it is to navigate the DirecTV Now app, how it takes two hands to FF and rewind instead of an elegant 1-finger action like the rest of the world's remotes, etc. They joked that they'd bring their own 50" TV and cable box next time.

And how likely is it that any of them will buy an Apple TV now, having seen that remote.

To any one Apple employee reading this: You're losing your grip on what the good consumer experience is. And the shark has been jumped regarding "unboxing nirvana." Apple, you ripped it out of the park in the 00's. Now everyone's packaging is "Apple-like." It's no longer a standout feature. I would so happily take my Apple components in non-descript recyclable corrugated boxes; it could result in incremental cost reduction s(which I'd hope would be passed onto the consumer) from reduced engineering design/development/purchasing, and it would also be a true step in the Green direction, so users would be more likely to recycle their useless-after-purchase boxes instead of feeling compelled to keep their pretty iPod clickwheel box.

The more that a consumer like me has to spend more $$ to get a non-AppleTV remote, to get 3rd party apps to do what you can't do effectively anymore with iOS (music app, podcast app, maps, etc), or spend $ on dongles & adapters & hubs just to add back the convenience factor in our mobile devices/laptops, the worse off you're going to veer from your "it just works" reputation that was spoken aloud much more 10+ years ago than now, which was the primary factor for why we were/are OK to spend up for the Apple tax.

I'm inspired to submit feedback to apple about their AppleTV remote, even if it goes nowhere and is just to appease myself.
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Buy a silicon sleeve from eBay. It makes the remote a million times easier to hold and it's less likely to slip down between the seat and arm rest or get lost.

I accidentally bought the pink one which was a fantastic mistake as the remote is now dead east to spot in the lounge and amongst my other black remotes. :D FYI it's bit darker in person.

At just under £2,50 with shipping it's one of the best upgrades you can make to your Apple TV.


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Does this allow you to slide your finger along the edges/sides? Doing so allows for rapid/quicker scrolling of channel listings for the DirecTV App and is an almost necessity for working thru DirecTV Now since the standard way of scrolling up & down using the middle of the touchpad is slow & cumbersome & prone to unintentional clicks. And it overcomes a UIx issue of the DireTV Now app by hiding the channel preview window, which takes up too much room and just gets in the way of convenient scrolling.
 
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Stunning..........until I saw the price. I'm curious though and will watch a few reviews this evening.

For what it's worth:

The cheapest option is just to buy the "Brain" (base) and use the app on your iPhone, but then you don't get the Remote which is the whole point. Configuration is done via the app on your iPhone/iPad, after which you only need the Brain and the Remote and/or the app.

The early reviews might not have been great, upgrading the firmware could take a few attempts. That's been greatly improved this year. Also it was losing connection with the Brain regularly for me - it connects to the Brain via Wifi, which then controls other devices by Wifi, IR, HDMI CEC and possibly Bluetooth(?). The problem turned out to be my router, the 2.4GHz network was periodically going down; replacing the router fixed everything for me.

The battery life (for me) is nothing like what they've claimed. I typically see maybe 3-4 days usage on a full charge. I'm actually perfectly fine with that - I leave it in the dock overnight every second or third day and it's a non-issue.

A Wifi remote is actually a revelation, no need to point the remote at the TV (although I still do it - muscle memory!), no problem with tables/chairs getting in the way, no problems with distance. The configuration is soooo much better than the old-style Harmony remotes where you had to hook it up via USB, then reboot the remote afterwards.

It supports a very wide range of devices, and if anything you need isn't supported the Neeo team are very quick to add it to the database (I've requested several).

Currently I have my TV, AppleTV, Cable box, AV receiver, Xbox One X and PS4 Pro all hooked up to it; and am adding to it all the time. I currently have a cheapo set of IR smartplugs for the lighting, I'm going to replace these with Ikea Tradfri Wifi smartplugs; plus I have a Dyson heater/cooler in the bedroom so I might buy a second Brain for that and the bedroom lights.

But yeah, it ain't cheap.
 
Currently I have my TV, AppleTV, Cable box, AV receiver, Xbox One X and PS4 Pro all hooked up to it; and am adding to it all the time. I currently have a cheapo set of IR smartplugs for the lighting, I'm going to replace these with Ikea Tradfri Wifi smartplugs; plus I have a Dyson heater/cooler in the bedroom so I might buy a second Brain for that and the bedroom lights.

Very convenient! Colour me interested. I have four remotes, soon to become 5 when I have bought a PS4 PRO Media Remote.

Does this allow you to slide your finger along the edges/sides? Doing so allows for rapid/quicker scrolling of channel listings for the DirecTV App and is an almost necessity for working thru DirecTV Now since the standard way of scrolling up & down using the middle of the touchpad is slow & cumbersome & prone to unintentional clicks. And it overcomes a UIx issue of the DireTV Now app by hiding the channel preview window, which takes up too much room and just gets in the way of convenient scrolling.

Yes the edges are still accessible. The silicon still looks good and unlike some silicon sleeve doesn't suffer from discoloration or oil build up on the surface.

The sleeve is as affordable as a cup coffee and has made the ATV remote easier to grab, drop into the remote control holder and spot in the lounge.
 
Thanks for the tip! No offense meant, HONESTLY, but the text I bolded above is at the heart of my and many's issues with Apple today. TOO MUCH IS DESIGNED FOR FORM AND NOT FUNCTION.

Hah, no offence taken! :)

I actually agree wholeheartedly that Apple, well, looks like a company run by a designer. "How it looks is far more important than how it works". And to an extent, they're right. They're winning millions of sales by shipping gorgeous looking devices. At the same time, some things are terrible (Mail junk filtering is abysmal, has been for years, and this would be such a huge QoL improvement if they addressed it, but I guess it's not "sexy" enough. Mail search is awful too).

Though the problem isn't with the quality of the boxing etc., but rather the lack of attention to other areas. :)
 
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Hah, no offence taken! :)

I actually agree wholeheartedly that Apple, well, looks like a company run by a designer. "How it looks is far more important than how it works". And to an extent, they're right. They're winning millions of sales by shipping gorgeous looking devices. At the same time, some things are terrible (Mail junk filtering is abysmal, has been for years, and this would be such a huge QoL improvement if they addressed it, but I guess it's not "sexy" enough. Mail search is awful too).

I don't know I agree that Apple is "right," at least in a good way that would allow for continued success over the long haul. I agree that looks can get you pretty far, and I think they get away with clearly awful designs today by living off their halo effect from all the noticeably right things they did from, say, 2002-2013. But like the super attractive husband/wife who starts to not be as easy to live with suddenly, as if a different person inside them started taking over, being attractive can only take you (and the consumer) so far.

At this stage where an industrial designer has so much clout now over the well-rounded-thinking Jobs, Apple is like the aging 45 year old starlet discovered not at age 18 but 30, where Apple and the starlet spent their 20's relatively undiscovered, and got to really grow and not fall victim to too much early success. She/Apple started hitting some real homeruns "in their early 30's," really starting to come alive and get noticed. Could do no wrong. Ten years ago at age 35, she had an unbeatable combination of newness, still-youthful energy and strength, and lots of skill and function, where the beautiful packaging was icing on the cake, and not the cake. Her/Apple's actions spoke much louder than their looks. (Apple of the 00's, into early 10's) But as things age and the fickle, distractedly loud consumers start to chatter and look for "what's new," she runs out of being the new girl on the block and instead turns to focusing on her looks, since they may be the easiest way to completely reinvent and attempt to get noticed and appear fresh, dabbling in way too much unnecessary plastic surgery, feeling she couldn't possibly succeed by just sticking to the basics that got her here, and keeping on doing things well. Her/Apple's new priorities suggest to many that their best years are behind her/them I think.

iOS 7, port/jack/button abolishments, thinner-first-before-well-rounded-designs, Apple TV 4 remote, MBP butterfly keyboards, Magic Mouse 2 charging port location, glued-together non-repairable/expandable MacBooks since that still matters to many...all form before function crap output that's not setting up Apple well for continued greatness but instead, increasing consumer dissatisfaction.

Though the problem isn't with the quality of the boxing etc., but rather the lack of attention to other areas. :)

I meant more that the over-jewel-like packaging is so common now that it's often a parody or cliche. If Apple was all about "amazing design" while obviously focusing on "need to look new" to the point that they introduce some often-ridiculous designs that are no longer fun and/or easy to use, why not use this as a chance to go to something usefully different, such as attractively-simple corrugated cardboard boxes that would be easier to recycle, both functionally (corrugated cardboard) and psychologically (owners may be more likely to recycle the plain, functional box rather than store it).

Instead of "think different," Apple really needs to "think smartly different."
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Stunning..........until I saw the price. I'm curious though and will watch a few reviews this evening.

Typical with many (most?) of Apple's products today. To get maximum usefulness, you really need to spend up and far beyond what the majority would consider to be reasonable. $$$ macbook SSD memory, $$$ for the latest iPhone, $$$ for an Apple TV remote that does what Apple should have provided from the get-go.
 
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I use florescent case and the official Apple remote Loop.

Apple has to be contrary - they put the volume keys on the opposite side of every remote ever made! Maddening!
 
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Apple TV 4 controlling a Samsung TV, and a Visio sound bar, watching Netflix movies and such. Everything works fine, except that the Apple TV remote has gotten a lot more difficult to use. The thing is very slippery, so I bought a rubberized sleeve for it, but now FF and playback is just a pain in the neck to achieve.

I ended up buying a relatively cheap Inteset "INT-422-3" universal remote that is larger and a lot easier to use than the Apple TV remote, but I haven't been able to program it to control the Visio sound bar's volume via Bluetooth. Does anybody know how to program it properly?
[doublepost=1542075845][/doublepost]I absolutely detest the new Apple remote. I bought an Amazon Fire because of it. The Fire is well thought out with a remote that works well. I only use the Apple TV when I want to Airplay my Mac to the TV.
 
I just use the Vizio remote that came with my TV from time to time. Via HDMI-CEC, there was no setup needed, it just worked.
 
I think of it as a well-intentioned failure. The idea of the touch pad and Siri control is great. The touch pad does indeed let you do things that would be harder any other way -- scrubbing is probably the best example. But it's finicky and sometimes leads to unplanned results, which wouldn't happen with a button remote. Siri is cool when you use it -- the "what did she say?" functionality is brilliant. But it shouldn't be necessary to reach for a remote at all to do that -- there are other, better ways.

The worst parts for me are the things that are left off (so you really need a second remote anyway), the fact that it's so easy to pick up backwards, and the fact that some of its functions don't map to third-party remotes the way they should (or the way they did with previous generations of Apple TV remotes).

In short, it has its benefits, but Apple should go back to the drawing board on this.
 
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