Anybody waiting for X1E Gen2?

Are you waiting for X1E Gen2?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • No (Gen 1 is fine with me)

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • No (I choose another option)

    Votes: 1 10.0%

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    10

hajime

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Given that it is expected to be out in August, will you hold off purchase of Gen 1 and wait for Gen 2?
 

DarthVader!

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Given that it is expected to be out in August, will you hold off purchase of Gen 1 and wait for Gen 2?
What is the rumored specs? To put it another way, what will the second generation do that the first cannot? I expect only a minor spec bump.

August is 5 months away, then do you wait a month or two for reviews? Perhaps you also wait a few more weeks to see if anyone reports any issues. Before you know it, you are into the autumn season.

If you have a specific need now, then buy it now, its a great machine. If you do not have a specific need, then waiting until you absolutely need it, is always sound advice.
 

hajime

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I am hoping for a new case like the c930 and perhaps improved battery life and thermal.
 

maflynn

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I am hoping for a new case like the c930 and perhaps improved battery life and thermal.
I dont think we'll see a new case and the thermals are fine. Improved battery life would be a plus but would that be worth waiting until August
 

Never mind

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Given that it is expected to be out in August, will you hold off purchase of Gen 1 and wait for Gen 2?
I can almost bet that you are. ;) Generation 2 will not be a leaps and bounds better than generation 1. I can almost guarantee that, but it will see some improvements. Perhaps the video card slightly better, maybe the 1060 this time around but what do I know. Betting on your track record of waiting and waiting, I bet you’re waiting till the generation 2 to check it out. :D
 

hajime

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I installed Linux on my desktop and it screwed up my Windows partition. Now I have to reinstall Windows again.

If I install Linux on my C930, I may have the same problem. At least for the X1E, I can do dual boot easily by installing 1 OS on each SSD.
 

c0ppo

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@hajime

Next time you attempt to do similar thing, just google up on how to do it without causing any issues. There are even youtube tutorials on things like that. It's quite easy to achieve dual boot on the same drive actually. You just need to know what you are doing.
 

jrichards1408

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I installed Linux on my desktop and it screwed up my Windows partition. Now I have to reinstall Windows again.

If I install Linux on my C930, I may have the same problem. At least for the X1E, I can do dual boot easily by installing 1 OS on each SSD.
Lol how did Linux mess with your Windows partition. That's impossible
 

hajime

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Lol how did Linux mess with your Windows partition. That's impossible
From googling, it seems that somehow installation of Linux messed up with the mbr of the drive that has Windows installed. There are many posts on fixing but those I tried did not work. Also, there are so many posts that I cannot tell this ones have correct information.
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@hajime

Next time you attempt to do similar thing, just google up on how to do it without causing any issues. There are even youtube tutorials on things like that. It's quite easy to achieve dual boot on the same drive actually. You just need to know what you are doing.
There are so many guides and posts. I cannot tell which is reliable and which is not. Any recommended guide?
 

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maflynn

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Hoping Lenovo comes out with a Thinkpad with an RTX 2060 or above, but they're almost as stingy as Apple when it comes to dGPU's.
The RTX GPUs offer few advantages over the GTX series for the class of machines such as the X1E. One major downside of the RTX, is price, they cost a lot more and don't really give you a huge jump in performance. Just look at what you can do with the Razer Blade RTX vs its lower end GTX, it costs less but for most real world (non-gaming) usages, its not that much slower then the RTX.

As noted above, the X1E is not a gaming laptop, and while it might have been nice to see a 1060 being added, I'm sure the thermals and battery are better off with the 1050.

Since the X1E is a new model, Lenovo wasn't going to do much with the second generation, just a minor spec bump and I still hold to that thought.
 

c0ppo

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I actually expect two things from X1E:
- way better speakers. X1C 7th gen will receive those, so no reason that their flagship laptop doesn't.
- X1C is also getting way bettter screen options. I hope X1E will follow suit.

Other then that, maybe improved thermals and some minor things. They really have a great base to build upon.
2060/70 GPU is for gaming laptops. Heat, noise and everything that goes along with those GPUs isn't really for X1E. They have their gaming laptops, RTX will find their way into those for sure.
 
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Yeah, I know the X1E isn't a gaming laptop. I was just hoping Lenovo would put an RTX (or Quadro equivalent) in ANY Thinkpad. For some games they might not offer much benefit, but for creative professionals they offer a good performance boost. The RTX even outperforms last gen Quadro's in some cases. Also see some benefit in data science and other areas where pure number crunching are needed.

RTX is already in their Legion gaming laptops, but I prefer the more professional Thinkpad exterior (keyboard) and reliability. Maybe they can put it in the P52 update? Though I would really want something a bit thinner and lighter.

Of course thermals come into play. So I understand if they don't use an RTX. We're seeing a lot of gaming laptops that are just as slim as the X1E. Just wish Lenovo was as aggressive with their dGPU selection.
 
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c0ppo

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I haven't read much about GPUs, but as I understand it, RTX cards have way better thermals then GTX cards.
So anything could happen. But I highly doubt it. Lenovo seems to position thinkpads as 'business' laptops, and have separate lines (like Legion that you've mentioned for gaming) for other categories.

Don't get me wrong. I would like a 2060 gpu inside X1E. But not if it costs us good thermals and more fan noise. Hajime would have a heart attack if that happened :D
 

Queen6

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Yeah, I know the X1E isn't a gaming laptop. I was just hoping Lenovo would put an RTX (or Quadro equivalent) in ANY Thinkpad. For some games they might not offer much benefit, but for creative professionals they offer a good performance boost. The RTX even outperforms last gen Quadro's in some cases. Also see some benefit in data science and other areas where pure number crunching are needed.

RTX is already in their Legion gaming laptops, but I prefer the more professional Thinkpad exterior (keyboard) and reliability. Maybe they can put it in the P52 update? Though I would really want something a bit thinner and lighter.

Of course thermals come into play. So I understand if they don't use an RTX. We're seeing a lot of gaming laptops that are just as slim as the X1E. Just wish Lenovo was as aggressive with their dGPU selection.
You should have a look at an MSI Stealth GS65/GS75, but they are not going to be quiet under load.

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maflynn

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Just wish Lenovo was as aggressive with their dGPU selection.
Laptops can be summed up by the fact they are combination of compromises. I'm happy with the dGPU, but then I'm not the type of user that requires a heavy duty GPU. I thought I was going to be, and I wanted to play more games, but reality that hasn't materialized - unless you consider playing Age of Empires 2 :p
 

Queen6

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I haven't read much about GPUs, but as I understand it, RTX cards have way better thermals then GTX cards.
So anything could happen. But I highly doubt it. Lenovo seems to position thinkpads as 'business' laptops, and have separate lines (like Legion that you've mentioned for gaming) for other categories.

Don't get me wrong. I would like a 2060 gpu inside X1E. But not if it costs us good thermals and more fan noise. Hajime would have a heart attack if that happened :D
Very little chance, 2060 in the X1E chassis fans will be roaring soon as the dGPU is engaged :p My 17.3" ROG is on the smaller side, it's quiet when not pushed. When using the full 230W TDP all three fans are spinning hard and make their presence known.

Only the ROG Zephyrus S GX531/GX701 and MSI Stealth GS65/75 spring to mind as true thin & light notebooks with high levels of performance. One of the answers to the noise problem is to use ThrottleStop and MSI's Afterburner to create low TDP profiles, you can then have a near silent notebook and unleash the performance as needed. Personally I don't bother and leave the notebook in full power mode, of if need it to be quieter I'll use the TDP down feature.

In Silent mode now with a fair productivity workload (10 virtual desktops) the CPU fan will switch from 0 to 2k which is near inaudible unless in a very quiet environment.

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hajime

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Unfortunately even with my Yoga C930 with iGPU, I hear the fan noise even the machine is not pushed. Under task list, Edge was less than 3% and fan noise could be heard.
 

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Unfortunately even with my Yoga C930 with iGPU, I hear the fan noise even the machine is not pushed. Under task list, Edge was less than 3% and fan noise could be heard.
No matter how you slice it, fans will turn on, they are doing what they were designed to do, cool the laptop. The only way to get a silent laptop is buy one that uses passive cooling.
 

hajime

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I haven't read much about GPUs, but as I understand it, RTX cards have way better thermals then GTX cards.
So anything could happen. But I highly doubt it. Lenovo seems to position thinkpads as 'business' laptops, and have separate lines (like Legion that you've mentioned for gaming) for other categories.

Don't get me wrong. I would like a 2060 gpu inside X1E. But not if it costs us good thermals and more fan noise. Hajime would have a heart attack if that happened :D
I think I read that RTX cards also have more tensor cores for cuda computations.